Maybe learn to use Google yourself because I've already spent too much time Googling for you and you just reject everything in any links that don't agree with your own viewpoint.
Ian
Maybe learn to use Google yourself because I've already spent too much time Googling for you and you just reject everything in any links that don't agree with your own viewpoint.
factual presentation of what police activity presence there might have been in Ely as part of normal patrols would have been good.Carlton green wrote: ↑29 May 2023, 9:28pm What I suggested was truth and an awareness of common understanding. So factual presentation of what police activity presence there might have been in Ely as part of normal patrols would have been good. That the force would be questioning all officers that had been in the area would have been good too. As it happens folk got hold of the wrong end of the stick, how the youths actually ended up dead isn’t clear to me, perhaps the truth will eventually emerge.
Do you think a detailed listing of all the police patrol activities during the night - including many statuses yet-to-be collated - would have affected that?pwa wrote: ↑30 May 2023, 6:43am I have also heard that the families did not ask for or condone the riot that followed, and that some of the rioters came from other areas, probably through a liking for riots rather than anger at what had happened. It was estimated that about 150 people rioted. The population of the Ely estate is 15 000, so even if all the rioters had been locals, most folk were not involved and were probably just guarding their homes.
I've done due diligence. No-one is quoting any exact wording (not even Mod Slowster's excellent research). So how can you accuse them of lying? Is anyone seriously disputing that the teenagers were not being pursued when they crashed? Is there evidence of any police not following the very strict procedures* on following or pursuing road-users?
Spot on!Nearholmer wrote: ↑30 May 2023, 9:34am Here’s a diagram that might help.
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Riots often happen in this country because a particular thing, usually something that appears to those on the ground to involve “oppressive authority”, acts as a spark in a tinder-box, and to mix metaphors, the lid temporarily blows off.
As someone else said up-thread: we are no longer tough on the causes of crime. We’re back in the loop of stupidity that the diagram attempts to highlight.
I'm not really telling anyone anything hence I said 'may well have been'. It's simply a reflection of modern day policing. Police community support officers (PCSO's ) quite often drive marked Police vehicles with all of the logos, blue lights and sirens. They're not Police officers. They're not trained or authorised to respond to incidents or get involved in a pursuit so can't use blue lights unless protecting a scene of an accident or similar.Psamathe wrote: ↑30 May 2023, 9:39amSo it doesn't concern you that the pursuing van with Police logos down the side, etc. was not driven by Police Officers? (as you tell us now, with all your experience that the only Police Officers involved where those attending the subsequent riot).
My default assumption would be to question your assertion.
Ian
Yes, it's in my winter sailing kit somewhere, but as it's bright yellow I'm not sure if it's de rigueursimonineaston wrote: ↑30 May 2023, 9:38am Quick straw pole: how many of us cycle uk forum readers posses a balaclava? You do? Supplimentary - could you readily put your hand on it, one pleasant May evening?
Interesting how the press photo of her leaving court doesn't show if one trouser leg is rolled up higher than the other...
That's not what happened. The application for appeal was refused.harriedgary wrote: ↑1 Jun 2023, 1:32pm ...
I thought it was interesting how the same week that poor Auriol Grey had her tough sentence of 3 years for accidental death confirmed by appeal court...
That's the $64 Q. While incidents remain at low levels, it's likely to be a can that's kicked down the road for the foreseeable. (other cliches are available...) The difficulties will outweigh the benefits. For example, bringing about legislation that restricts use of battery powered vehicles might seem to go against perceived "green" benefits. Politicians are likely to bottle it, with respect to coming down on the side of restriction, unless accident numbers go up sharply.How much longer will police and government stand by and do zilch until larger numbers of pedestrians (and indeed the users themselves) are killed by the illegal use of electric vehicles like this one.
He's right - you are being pedantic. As well as continuing a pointless thread diversion (the Grey case is covered in enormous detail in another thread - as well as being easily google-able, of course )Jdsk wrote: ↑1 Jun 2023, 1:39pmThat's not what happened. The application for appeal was refused.harriedgary wrote: ↑1 Jun 2023, 1:32pm ...
I thought it was interesting how the same week that poor Auriol Grey had her tough sentence of 3 years for accidental death confirmed by appeal court...
Jonathan
But you should know better - it's not like you haven't been around this place for a while! It takes two to tango, and you joined the dance with enthusiasm. Have fun!Jdsk wrote: ↑1 Jun 2023, 2:23pm If you're going to discuss the operation of the legal system it's generally a good idea to get the facts right.
If you want to discuss the appropriateness of the Grey case to this thread then I suggest addressing your comments to the poster who introduced it.
Jonathan