Here's a calculator, as discussed upthread:
https://climobil.connecting-project.lu/ ... nization=0
Please could you run comparisons for your vehicles and usage of choice and post the results.
Thanks
Jonathan
Here's a calculator, as discussed upthread:
Jdsk wrote: ↑4 Jun 2023, 5:02pmAnd one of the many advantages of writing as Greenpeace did and Atkinson didn't is that it makes it much easier to disagree and for others to assess the merits of that disagreement.Carlton green wrote: ↑4 Jun 2023, 4:51pmNearly right, well nearly right as a start point for discussion and further analysis. The bit that’s wrong is that Greenpeace are not impartial authors, they already have their own agenda and perception of what the best direction of change is and their aim is to promote it, full stop. Now have some impartial, comprehensive and technically sound articles and we’ll all be better informed.Jdsk wrote: ↑4 Jun 2023, 4:33pm That day has dawned. The best accessible summary that I know is from Greenpeace:
"Electric cars are greener than petrol cars – but they’re far from perfect. Switching to electric cars is essential, but it’s not enough. Our transport system needs a rethink."
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/elec ... trol-cars/
And that's how this sort of stuff should be written up: identify the major issues and include the major advantages and disadvantages and all of the other things that need to be done. All in one place. With supporting evidence.
Jonathan
I praised how it drew the issues together, and several other aspects of its format. Especially in comparison to that of Atkinson's article and to how this thread has evolved.Carlton green wrote: ↑4 Jun 2023, 6:29pmPerhaps I misunderstood you? Didn’t you originally hold up the Greenpeace article as excellence? I found it pretty poor quality.Jdsk wrote: ↑4 Jun 2023, 5:02pmAnd one of the many advantages of writing as Greenpeace did and Atkinson didn't is that it makes it much easier to disagree and for others to assess the merits of that disagreement.Carlton green wrote: ↑4 Jun 2023, 4:51pm Nearly right, well nearly right as a start point for discussion and further analysis. The bit that’s wrong is that Greenpeace are not impartial authors, they already have their own agenda and perception of what the best direction of change is and their aim is to promote it, full stop. Now have some impartial, comprehensive and technically sound articles and we’ll all be better informed.
I believe external costs need to be taken into account in the economic system which is a big challenge, but one we duck at our peril.
Well, to be fair, only for us! Once we're all dead, the planet will simply revert to its previous state, as if we never existed. Good fertiliser, mind...without pretty awful consequences.
Yep that about zums it up!Biospace wrote: ↑5 Jun 2023, 1:30pmI believe external costs need to be taken into account in the economic system which is a big challenge, but one we duck at our peril.
The society of excess, waste and opportunistic wilful harm caused to the planet and its lifeforms I find deeply unpleasant and although it has always existed, with 8 billion humans aspiring to a large car, fridge and ever more consumerism it cannot continue without pretty awful consequences.
simonineaston wrote: ↑5 Jun 2023, 1:38pmWell, to be fair, only for us! Once we're all dead, the planet will simply revert to its previous state, as if we never existed. Good fertiliser, mind...without pretty awful consequences.
Is this the DM simply making sure it is seen to ridicule the Guardian, while printing many articles sceptical of BEVs?Jdsk wrote: ↑6 Jun 2023, 10:31am You couldn't make it up, part 1,764:
The Daily Mail has asked some experts to check Atkinson's article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... duped.html
Experts, huh!
Jonathan
That was my guess for the motivation, rather than any concern for the truth or regard for the environment.Biospace wrote: ↑6 Jun 2023, 1:13pmIs this the DM simply making sure it is seen to ridicule the Guardian, while printing many articles sceptical of BEVs?Jdsk wrote: ↑6 Jun 2023, 10:31am You couldn't make it up, part 1,764:
The Daily Mail has asked some experts to check Atkinson's article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... duped.html
Experts, huh!