Can the Met be trusted?

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Jdsk
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"Met Police's failure to stop Stephen Port murders could happen again, inspectorate finds":
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk ... pen-again/

Jonathan
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"Update: Documents relevant to Daniel Morgan Independent Panel found":
https://news.met.police.uk/news/update- ... und-466605

Murder of Daniel Morgan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Daniel_Morgan

Jonathan

Documents relevant to the Daniel Morgan Independent Panel (DMIP) have been discovered by the Metropolitan Police.
The paperwork was found in a locked cabinet that had not been used for a number of years at New Scotland Yard.
A careful assessment has been completed to understand the significance of the documents and any potential impact.
Some of this material should have been disclosed to DMIP which published its final report in June 2021.
Assistant Commissioner Barbara Gray said: “We fully acknowledge how unacceptable and deeply regrettable this situation is.
“We are working to understand what has taken place and any impact. We apologise to the family of Daniel Morgan and to the Panel.”
The documents were found in January and an assessment started in February.
Some of the material is relevant to the work of DMIP and a subsequent inspection by His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS).
HMICFRS, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime and the Home Office have been informed.
The Met has undertaken a careful assessment of the documents to consider whether any should have been disclosed.
A total of 95 pages of material (37 documents) have been initially identified that would have been disclosed under a protocol agreed with the Panel.
In addition, we also identified a further 71 pages (23 documents) that would have been provided to HMICFRS as part of their subsequent inspection.
Our assessment is that there are no evidential documents that relate to criminal investigations into the murder.
The Met has written to the family of Daniel Morgan and Baroness Nuala O’Loan to explain what we believe has taken place and outline next steps.
The Police Inspectorate has agreed to review the documents and our assessment as a follow up to their previous inspection. We remain in discussions with the IOPC.
In addition, we will make any material that should have been disclosed to the Panel available to the family of Daniel Morgan and to Baroness O’Loan.
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On and on it goes,the more you see the less trust you have in the Met,which,right or wrongly affects the public's level of trust in other police forces throughout the UK.
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You can be damned sure all those criminally involved in the cover-up will be long retired or dead - i.e. no-one will be held to account. Pure coincidence the files remained "lost" for so long.
Jdsk
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"Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... alth-calls

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Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 6:37pm "Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... alth-calls

Jonathan
I don't know enough about the different services to appreciate the impact of the move. Who would be attending an incident after a 999 call (if there is no suspected threat to life)? Ambulance services? Are they trained to handle such calls?

(Genuine questions not making a point through questions as I don't know the capabilities of different services).

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Psamathe wrote: 28 May 2023, 8:51pm
Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 6:37pm "Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... alth-calls
I don't know enough about the different services to appreciate the impact of the move. Who would be attending an incident after a 999 call (if there is no suspected threat to life)? Ambulance services? Are they trained to handle such calls?
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The context is that mental health problems are very very common and responsible for a large number of calls to 111 and 999 and create massive workloads for the police, ambulance staff, community healthcare, primary healthcare, emergency healthcare, local authorities, volunteers and friends and neighbours.

And all of the state services are starting from a position of being underresourced.

Yes, ambulance staff are trained to deal with emergency mental health problems. Who would be dispatched varies across the UK. Here's how London approaches it:
https://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/call ... alth-care/

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Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 9:31pm
Psamathe wrote: 28 May 2023, 8:51pm
Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 6:37pm "Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... alth-calls
I don't know enough about the different services to appreciate the impact of the move. Who would be attending an incident after a 999 call (if there is no suspected threat to life)? Ambulance services? Are they trained to handle such calls?
...
The context is that mental health problems are very very common and responsible for a large number of calls to 111 and 999 and create massive workloads for the police, ambulance staff, community healthcare, primary healthcare, emergency healthcare, local authorities, volunteers and friends and neighbours.

And all of the state services are starting from a position of being underresourced.

Yes, ambulance staff are trained to deal with emergency mental health problems. Who would be dispatched varies across the UK. Here's how London approaches it:
https://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/call ... alth-care/

Jonathan
All well and good but the Police are usually the dumping ground for 135/136 so fair play to the Met for invoking this policy.
Jdsk
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Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 6:37pm "Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... alth-calls
And some initial reactions from those affected:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65741824

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Jdsk wrote: 29 May 2023, 1:53pm
Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 6:37pm "Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... alth-calls
And some initial reactions from those affected:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65741824

Jonathan
Whilst I don't have the knowledge of mental health emergencies, one aspect to the report linked to does concern me:
The Met argues the move will free up officers after a significant rise in the number of mental health incidents being dealt with by the force in the past five years.
By the same logic, does this explain why Police no longer seem to enforce many road safety legislation e.g. given the significant rise in the number of mobile phone use whilst driving, stopping pursuing such offences in necessary to "free up officers". etc.

Just because a need increases over time is not a reason to stop handling that need. There might be other valid reasons but increasing need taking time and resources does not strike me as a valid reason to stop provision.

Additionally, it seems a Met Police decision, which I expect means the handling of urgent mental health issues becomes even more of a "postcode lottery".

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Guardian Book of the Day: "Into the Night: A Year With the Police ":
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... -more-care

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Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 9:31pm
Psamathe wrote: 28 May 2023, 8:51pm
Jdsk wrote: 28 May 2023, 6:37pm "Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... alth-calls
I don't know enough about the different services to appreciate the impact of the move. Who would be attending an incident after a 999 call (if there is no suspected threat to life)? Ambulance services? Are they trained to handle such calls?
...
The context is that mental health problems are very very common and responsible for a large number of calls to 111 and 999 and create massive workloads for the police, ambulance staff, community healthcare, primary healthcare, emergency healthcare, local authorities, volunteers and friends and neighbours.

And all of the state services are starting from a position of being underresourced.

Yes, ambulance staff are trained to deal with emergency mental health problems. Who would be dispatched varies across the UK. Here's how London approaches it:
https://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/call ... alth-care/
Some details on what was done in Humberside and the outcome. Including why the Chief Constable thinks that a deadline for the changes was necessary.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... s-paid-off

Jonathan
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Jdsk wrote: 30 May 2023, 11:22am Guardian Book of the Day: "Into the Night: A Year With the Police ":
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... -more-care
"The secret life of a Met detective: why Jess McDonald quit her job – and decided to tell all":
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... o-tell-all

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"Met Police “sorry” for past LGBT+ witch-hunts":
https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org ... tch-hunts/

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"Sorry the easiest word....."
Meaningless drivel.
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