P&O Ferries

[Bonefishblues]

Yes I read that -- hell slap it up them -- they'll suffer a bigger slap hopefully this time.

No slapping. This is by the book (assuming they do it properly, of course - they may also reach agreement voluntarily)

[Cowsham]

Different scenario this time. P&O are going into formal consultation regarding changes to ts & C's which, if agreement is not reached may result in redundancies and re-hire on new terms. They've filed their HR1, as they are required to.

Turkeys voting for Xmas comes to mind -- having to accept lower wages in a cost of living crisis with general wages rising seems a bit unfair to say the least.

[Jdsk]

Yes I read that -- hell slap it up them -- they'll suffer a bigger slap hopefully this time.

No slapping. This is by the book (assuming they do it properly, of course - they may also reach agreement voluntarily)

Threat withdrawn: "Cruise firm Carnival UK withdraws threat to fire and rehire more than 900 staff":
"https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -900-staff"

Jonathan

[Bonefishblues]

Yes I read that -- hell slap it up them -- they'll suffer a bigger slap hopefully this time.

No slapping. This is by the book (assuming they do it properly, of course - they may also reach agreement voluntarily)

Threat withdrawn: "Cruise firm Carnival UK withdraws threat to fire and rehire more than 900 staff":
"https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -900-staff"

Jonathan

Not sure what to make of that Jonathan tbh - sabre rattled, it had done its job so was put away, or what, exactly? It surely cannot be bad advice received, not after the last debacle.

[Jdsk]

New: the president of Brittany Ferries says the French government will sign a decree tomorrow which will force P&O Ferries to pay the French minimum wage.
It’s not clear how long the company will be given to comply.
UK government hopes to implement similar law “in the summer”.
https://twitter.com/ITVJoel/status/1769846261740409142

Jonathan

[tim-b]

It’s not clear how long the company will be given to comply

Three months according to the Grauniad, which will be "in the summer", as with the UK. This is to allow for appeals to a law at odds with international law https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... french-law

This law was started two years ago as a series of bilateral agreements between the UK and Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland and the Netherlands https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... me-workers
The UK's Seafarers' Wages Bill was sent for a second reading in December 2022 and was enacted in March '23 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/8/enacted

It isn't new and France hasn't done anything unique, regardless of how it's publicised

[Jdsk]

New: the president of Brittany Ferries says the French government will sign a decree tomorrow which will force P&O Ferries to pay the French minimum wage.
It’s not clear how long the company will be given to comply.
UK government hopes to implement similar law “in the summer”.
https://twitter.com/ITVJoel/status/1769846261740409142

"France changes law on ferry crew wages after conditions deemed 'dangerous'":
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-03-20/fra ... -not-moral

Jonathan

[mattheus]

New: the president of Brittany Ferries says the French government will sign a decree tomorrow which will force P&O Ferries to pay the French minimum wage.
It’s not clear how long the company will be given to comply.
UK government hopes to implement similar law “in the summer”.
https://twitter.com/ITVJoel/status/1769846261740409142

Jonathan

... and if P&O do not comply, the french will block the channel with their tractors.


But seriously - well done France. This is the sort of thing they're good at.

[tim-b]

P&O also currently expects some crew to work seven days a week, for up to 17 weeks at a time, without a break.
Herve Berville describe this practice as “dangerous” and “not moral”
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-03-20/fra ... -not-moral

Perhaps M. Berville and his predecessors could have considered enforcing existing legislation for the last 18 years?

Maritime Labour Convention, 2006, as amended
Regulation 2.3 – Hours of work and hours of rest
Purpose: To ensure that seafarers have regulated hours of work or hours of rest

3. Each Member acknowledges that the normal working hours’ standard for seafarers, like that for other workers, shall be based on an eight-hour day with one day of rest per week and rest on public holidays. However, this shall not prevent the Member from having procedures to authorize or register a collective agreement which determines seafarers’ normal working hours on a basis no less favourable than this standard.

[Jdsk]

New: the president of Brittany Ferries says the French government will sign a decree tomorrow which will force P&O Ferries to pay the French minimum wage.
It’s not clear how long the company will be given to comply.
UK government hopes to implement similar law “in the summer”.
https://twitter.com/ITVJoel/status/1769846261740409142

"France changes law on ferry crew wages after conditions deemed 'dangerous'":
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-03-20/fra ... -not-moral

A very brief explanation of the loophole on minimum wages:
https://www.hrmagazine.co.uk/content/ne ... y-loophole

Jonathan