Entry to France

[st599_uk]

Former colleagues of mine in the airlines inform me that when they travel to Europe as crew whilst working, they don't get stamped in and out of Schengen so long as they're in uniform. From an immigration point of view, it's as if they weren't there. They can still then use the full 90 in 180 for leisure travel. I'm surprised if freight drivers are treated differently when they turn up in their 44 tonners; hardly the vehicle to use for leisure travel.

Work definitely counts towards your 90 in 180, even with a work visa. Even more annoyingly, the IOC special visas are time limited and you need to get them stamped on entry. (I was planning on riding from a UEFA gig in Leipzig to an IOC gig in Paris - but no can do)

[albal1]

Looking through my diary, i,ve had x63 days in EU since October 1st 2023. All work related.
I am aware i may be on 90 days whilst mid tour.
May have to abort and get a train back , and work in UK for a while when i return. There is no benefit being a non EU member state for me.

[simonhill]

As it's now April, your October days will be dropping off.

The problem is if you use days faster than you drop them. However with 27 days still in hand, that's a help.

It depends when you are going and how long you are staying.

Is there no exemption for lorry drivers.

[MrsHJ]

It’s very depressing. I do have a vague memory that the eu offered more generous terms on the 90 days during negotiations and the UK declined so it’s an area where I hope things might improve before I get round to retiring and seriously travelling.

Obviously my top preference would be for a rejoining but I’ll take some smaller wins for now especially on the single market and customs union front- a *relatively* easy way to boost the economy.

[F70100]

A couple of tools to help with the calculations (I'm sure there are many others):

https://ninety180.com/howToUse

"Schengen Calculator 90/180" app for the iPhone.

They show the results in different ways but that's no bad thing as an error check. Personally I would only count that days that correlate to stamps in the passport - if there's no stamp, you weren't there... And you have the same number of exit stamps as entry stamps I hope

[mjr]

Is there no exemption for lorry drivers.

Not as far as I know. There are various rumours and anecdotes about different ports of entry at present, but they seem risky to rely on (unless you intend never to visit the EU again) and it seems unlikely to continue after the Entry and Exit System is in use.

[albal1]

There are no exceptions, unless the driver has a visa for each country as far as I know.
I,ve got multiple stamps, as stated in previous post, arrived EU in ouistreham and depart from cherbourg. Only 1 stamp...
When the new system goes live and by spring 2025 I can see many British passport holders refused entry..
I leave on April 5.
Ferry to cherbourg.
Ride to Marseille - ferry to Tunisia.
Ferry - Tunis to Palermo.
Ride to cherbourg .

[st599_uk]

Also remember, if you're listed as an EU overstayer, other countries become wary of your presence too.

Some may get away with no stamps, but if you're traveling for work and need Carnet stamps, it's a non-starter.

[simonhill]

Looks like there is a possibility of more freedom of movement for 18 to 30 year olds. Not much use to use older ones, but a small chink of light in the gloom.

“The objective would be to facilitate youth exchanges, making it easier for young EU citizens to travel, work and live in the UK, with reciprocity for young UK nationals in a member state,”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ung-people

[Jdsk]

Looks like there is a possibility of more freedom of movement for 18 to 30 year olds. Not much use to use older ones, but a small chink of light in the gloom.

“The objective would be to facilitate youth exchanges, making it easier for young EU citizens to travel, work and live in the UK, with reciprocity for young UK nationals in a member state,”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ung-people

And over here, with the paper:
viewtopic.php?p=1839963#p1839963

I hadn't thought of the proposal's relevance to touring. It looks very good for education and training and work experience.

I don't expect the current UK government to make any progress on this, but it's excellent to see some movement (!).

Jonathan

[mjr]

Because adding age discrimination to a situation always helps(!)

[Paulc]

Well the door slams in the face if hope. Reducing opportunity means reducing opportunity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

[MrsHJ]

Well the door slams in the face if hope. Reducing opportunity means reducing opportunity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

No surprises there- hang on EU, give it a few months and try the next lot. Edit- or no, they gave a negative response too.

[Psamathe]

Freedom of Movement (same proposals) also being discussed in the thread viewtopic.php?t=155991&start=915. As this section is Touring & Expedition and factual rather than political/longer term possibilities maybe better discussed in the other thread (about Politics/Brexit in The Tea Shop).

Ian