English Language - what "Does your head in" ??

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Jdsk wrote: 25 Mar 2024, 6:28pm
Mick F wrote: 25 Mar 2024, 6:24pm The other one I was thinking about today, was "agenda". It was being said on R4 this afternoon with a politician chappy.

When I went to meetings ......... and chaired them many many times ............ was we discussed the agendum.

Looking it up earlier due to R4, the modern stuff is "agenda" as the singular, and "agendums" as the plural!

Even the spell-checker on my Mac doesn't like "agendums".
I have never heard agendum used in common English parlance other than ironically.

Where did you look it up that returned agenda/agendums, please?
Did you manage to find that guidance? I couldn't.

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Mick F wrote: 25 Mar 2024, 6:24pm The other one I was thinking about today, was "agenda". It was being said on R4 this afternoon with a politician chappy.

When I went to meetings ......... and chaired them many many times ............ was we discussed the agendum.

Looking it up earlier due to R4, the modern stuff is "agenda" as the singular, and "agendums" as the plural! :shock: :shock: :shock:

Even the spell-checker on my Mac doesn't like "agendums".
In Latin agendum means 'that which is to be done' and its plural is agenda.
In English agenda usually means the list of things to be done and is considered singular, the plural being agendas.
Like Jonathan, I would be curious to know who came up with agendums.
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Shows what a mess you get into when you forget the origins of words. Agendums is a nonsense. The agenda is the list of things to be done, as noted, so it's inherently plural. Unless the meeting only has one item to address, in which case it's an agendum.
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Jdsk wrote: 25 Mar 2024, 6:28pm
I have never heard agendum used in common English parlance other than ironically.

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drossall wrote: 26 Mar 2024, 5:29pm Shows what a mess you get into when you forget the origins of words. Agendums is a nonsense. The agenda is the list of things to be done, as noted, so it's inherently plural. Unless the meeting only has one item to address, in which case it's an agendum.
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Paulatic wrote: 26 Mar 2024, 7:49pm
Jdsk wrote: 25 Mar 2024, 6:28pm I have never heard agendum used in common English parlance other than ironically.
I’ve seen it written
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That looks as it means one item rather than a collection of items.

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Quite. Same as what I said, really.
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People using of instead of have, as in "I would of done it...".

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Audax67 wrote: 30 Mar 2024, 2:54pm People using of instead of have, as in "I would of done it...".

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Audax67 wrote: 30 Mar 2024, 2:54pmPeople using of instead of have, as in "I would of done it...".
That's not altogether surprising, given that " 've " is a common contraction of "have".

With a bit more thought, you would've worked that out for yourself. :)
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DaveReading wrote: 30 Mar 2024, 9:23pm
Audax67 wrote: 30 Mar 2024, 2:54pmPeople using of instead of have, as in "I would of done it...".
That's not altogether surprising, given that " 've " is a common contraction of "have".

With a bit more thought, you would've worked that out for yourself. :)
I was leaving it as an exercise for the student. Congrats.
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More from football:

"They've downed tools" (when players want their manager sacked so they stop playing at the level they can)
"We want the best in class" (Football Director, CEO etc, when appointing these types)
"There will be limbs" (not even sure what this means, people celebrating waving arms around maybe)
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Manc33 wrote: 8 Apr 2024, 12:55am More from football:

"They've downed tools" (when players want their manager sacked so they stop playing at the level they can)
AKA ''The manager's lost the dressing room''
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Sorry, been off the air recently.

Agendums.

This is just one:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/agend ... 1713259197
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Mick F wrote: 25 Mar 2024, 6:24pm ...
Looking it up earlier due to R4, the modern stuff is "agenda" as the singular, and "agendums" as the plural!
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Mick F wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 10:23am Agendums.

This is just one:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/agend ... 1713259197
...which has:

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So I think that your original statement is a misreading of that dictionary entry: it's stating that agenda and agendums are plural forms of agendum, not "agenda" as the singular, and "agendums" as the plural".

So the dictionary entry is completely consistent with the Latinate derivation, and with all of the other responses upthread.

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