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Jdsk
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Jdsk wrote: 10 Mar 2024, 5:36pm
Jdsk wrote: 8 Mar 2024, 2:52pm
Psamathe wrote: 7 Mar 2024, 7:56pm Interesting article. After reading it I wonder how she is still in post. Senior Minister in Government doing no due diligence, no real checking but just acting through personal Twitter account and landing us with a legal & compensation bill. If she isn't stepping down of her own accord why isn't Sunak sacking her? (but I suspect I also know the answer to that question).

No wonder politicians and our governance are held in such low regard.
More from DAG: "A close look at the Donelan libel settlement":
https://emptycity.substack.com/p/a-clos ... elan-libel
And from Peretz:
"On Ministerial accountability: Donelan's libel bill and the OBR":
https://georgeperetzkc.substack.com/p/o ... dium=email
Now estimated at £34k:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ibel-costs

... which also identifies another £23k spent by UKRI because of her actions.

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Re: UK Politics

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As I mentioned upthread she's fighting a different seat at the next election, partly down to boundary changes but quite probably because she would have been out on her ear if she'd stayed where she was. It looks as though if she'd re-stood for Chippenham she would have lost - Tories are predicted to be swamped my the LD's. Fortunately for her, though, her new constituency of Melksham is likely to be a Tory hold.

She clearly has friends in the right places.
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toontra wrote: 11 Apr 2024, 2:03pm ..,
Fortunately for her, though, her new constituency of Melksham is likely to be a Tory hold.
...
Melksham and Devizes predicted as Liberal Democrat by Electoral Calculus, although the numbers are strange:
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcg ... nd+Devizes

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Jdsk wrote: 11 Apr 2024, 2:15pm
toontra wrote: 11 Apr 2024, 2:03pm ..,
Fortunately for her, though, her new constituency of Melksham is likely to be a Tory hold.
...
Melksham and Devizes predicted as Liberal Democrat by Electoral Calculus, although the numbers are strange:
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcg ... nd+Devizes

Jonathan
Close - but this is the prediction for her current seat: https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcg ... e=sn13+9az
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/apr/14/political-ads-could-heading-uk-tv-screens-legal-loophole-itv wrote:Political ads could be heading to UK TV screens due to legal loophole
Exclusive: ITV is considering taking paid ads from parties on its streaming platform where ban does not apply
I assume/hope that such ads would be subject to the concept of "truth" or people could complain to the appropriate watchdog.

Seemed from recent history that Party Political Broadcasts are not subject to any regulation about "truth" (as witnessed by Sunak claiming that as inflation rate was coming down (but still positive) that this was bringing the Cost of Living down> Seems the regulator can do nothing about such untruths but for a paid ad the same must apply as for untruthful claims about any washing powder, hair shampoo, etc.

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Jdsk wrote: 14 Mar 2024, 1:46pm Extremism is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance, that aims to:
(1) negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others; or
(2) undermine, overturn or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights; or
(3) intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve the results in (1) or (2).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... -extremism

Hmmm... does anyone see any problems?
"Belgian mayor orders halt to NatCon conference attended by Braverman":
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... e-brussels

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Re: UK Politics (Smoking Ban)

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Some Conservatives arguing against the proposed smoking ban because it may fuel a black market. Talk about missing the point and getting things in some perspective. Do they think a small black market (which may easily not happen anyway) more important than the widespread massive health benefits, savings on NHS resources, etc., etc.

They seem unable to recognise the massive benefits to both individuals as well as society over a minor possible negative. No wonder the country is in the mess it is.

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Re: UK Politics (Smoking Ban)

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Psamathe wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 6:09pm Some Conservatives arguing against the proposed smoking ban because it may fuel a black market. Talk about missing the point and getting things in some perspective. Do they think a small black market (which may easily not happen anyway) more important than the widespread massive health benefits, savings on NHS resources, etc., etc.

They seem unable to recognise the massive benefits to both individuals as well as society over a minor possible negative. No wonder the country is in the mess it is.

Ian
In the absence of any other rational explanation, maybe worth considering tobacco industry lobbying - possibly with financial incentives? After all it worked for them for decades and continues in "third-world" countries to this day (at the cost of countless millions of lives).
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I can smugly say that I first suggested a sliding tobacco ban of the sort now being introduced, probably about 8 years ago, on this forum. If I remember correctly, I also suggested that it could be combined with increased help for existing smokers who want to give up.

But this will mean that there will be a boost to the black market for tobacco products, so the police will need to focus more on it. I think that is a small price to pay, though. I don't know any smoker who says they are happy they took it up in their youth. Society will be better off without tobacco. And before anyone says it, we can raise the lost tax revenue somewhere else, without hospitalising so many people.

It has been said that if you give a chimpanzee a pencil and paper and an infinite amount of time, at some point it will produce the complete works of Shakespeare. And similarly, it appears, if you are sufficiently patient and wait long enough, even Rishi's government will produce something good. And here it is.
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snip...maybe worth considering tobacco industry lobbying...
Ask Ken Clarke, Baron Clarke of Nottingham, about his role in British American Tobacco (BAT) as non-executive Deputy Chair.

BAT was allegedly smuggling products into new markets, which the DTI investigated
The Uni of Bath maintains a website including https://tobaccotactics.org/article/kenneth-clarke/
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Jdsk wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 3:12pm "Belgian mayor orders halt to NatCon conference attended by Braverman":
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... e-brussels

Jonathan
Yes, the Leftwaffe rules the roost in the EU, suppression of free speech is a major plank of their agenda...one of the reasons to stay out.

Al
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Re: UK Politics

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Jdsk wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 3:12pm
Jdsk wrote: 14 Mar 2024, 1:46pm Extremism is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance, that aims to:
(1) negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others; or
(2) undermine, overturn or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights; or
(3) intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve the results in (1) or (2).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... -extremism

Hmmm... does anyone see any problems?
"Belgian mayor orders halt to NatCon conference attended by Braverman":
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... e-brussels
The Prime Ministers of Belgium and the UK have criticised the decision:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... e-brussels

And a Belgian court has issued an emergency order to allow the meeting to proceed:
https://www.lesoir.be/581577/article/20 ... seil-detat

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I should think so too.....discussion last night with pals of all hues - universal disgust!

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Re: UK Politics

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Jdsk wrote: 20 Feb 2024, 5:52pm
Psamathe wrote: 8 Feb 2024, 9:58am Very worrying how little our PM understands about very basic economy stuff.
conservative Party Political Broadcast last night where PM had white board and clearly stated Inflation coming down, so /cost of Living Coming Down (he drew downward arrows against Inflation and CoL,

Inflation might be coming down but it's still positive (significantly positive) which means Cost of Living still going up. Yet PM doesn't understand that.

Sunak's narrative:
Screenshot 2024-02-08 at 09.55.54.png
"What does that means your you and your family"
Screenshot 2024-02-08 at 09.56.31.png

Does UK stand any hope with politicians of this calibre.
Just had a reply, appended.

Not too surprising, but they seem to accept the principle that their remit includes Party Political Broadcasts!

Thank you for contacting the Office for Statistics Regulation and the Authority Chair with your concerns regarding the recent Conservative Party’s Party Political Broadcast.

We agree the downward arrow in isolation is incorrect: the cost of living has not gone down, but rather continues to increase at a slower rate. However, when listening to the Prime Minister’s explanation of the point in the broadcast, his description of burdens easing is reasonable and provides sufficient context to avoid misinformation.

The Prime Minister said “What’s happened to inflation over the past year? Well according to the Office of National Statistics, inflation was around 11% when I became Prime Minister. Now, inflation has more than halved to around 4%. That’s good progress but we’ve got to keep going as inflation belongs back down at 2%. So, what does that mean for you and your family? Well first and foremost, because inflation is coming down, that eases burdens with the cost of living.”
"We saw food prices coming down":
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1780503659295428894

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Re: UK Politics

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pwa wrote: 17 Apr 2024, 6:28am ....
It has been said that if you give a chimpanzee a pencil and paper and an infinite amount of time, at some point it will produce the complete works of Shakespeare. And similarly, it appears, if you are sufficiently patient and wait long enough, even Rishi's government will produce something good. And here it is.
And look at the number of Conservative MPs voting against it. Says a lot to me.

Ian
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