Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Use this board for general non-cycling-related chat, or to introduce yourself to the forum.
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

"Brexit costs Scotland up to £100 million-a-year in lost salmon exports":
https://www.salmonscotland.co.uk/news/b ... on-exports
Scottish salmon is the UK’s largest food export, but farming companies have faced increased red tape and costs triggered by the departure from the EU in January 2020.

Jonathan
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Jdsk wrote: 27 Mar 2024, 8:51pm
Jdsk wrote: 6 Mar 2024, 11:19am
al_yrpal wrote: 6 Mar 2024, 11:15am... and thus our food hygene people have to be very careful what is imported too.
"Defra confirms funding withdrawal for Dover illegal meat checks":
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendu ... s-at-dover
Defra Secretary Steve Barclay was asked to explain the Department's stance on funding checks for illegal meat imports when he appeared in front of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee on Tuesday.
Prior to the meeting, EFRA published a damning letter to it from Lucy Manzano, head of Dover port health & public protection, which suggested Defra had misled the committee of MPs in its response in February to questions on illegal meat import checks at the port and the decision to move legal customs checks to a new inland site from April.

https://www.npa-uk.org.uk/Barclay_quest ... hecks.html
https://committees.parliament.uk/commit ... committee/
The inspection charges have been published, with four weeks to go:
https://www.ft.com/content/38498a3b-ef3 ... pe=nongift
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/17 ... 6290845722
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/common-user ... ligibility

Higher costs and less choice for consumers in the UK. Usual disproportionate effect on small importers.

Jonathan

Screenshot 2024-04-04 at 09.26.39.png
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Jdsk wrote: 4 Apr 2024, 9:29am
Jdsk wrote: 27 Mar 2024, 8:51pm
Jdsk wrote: 6 Mar 2024, 11:19am
"Defra confirms funding withdrawal for Dover illegal meat checks":
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendu ... s-at-dover
Defra Secretary Steve Barclay was asked to explain the Department's stance on funding checks for illegal meat imports when he appeared in front of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee on Tuesday.
Prior to the meeting, EFRA published a damning letter to it from Lucy Manzano, head of Dover port health & public protection, which suggested Defra had misled the committee of MPs in its response in February to questions on illegal meat import checks at the port and the decision to move legal customs checks to a new inland site from April.

https://www.npa-uk.org.uk/Barclay_quest ... hecks.html
https://committees.parliament.uk/commit ... committee/
The inspection charges have been published, with four weeks to go:
https://www.ft.com/content/38498a3b-ef3 ... pe=nongift
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/17 ... 6290845722
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/common-user ... ligibility

Higher costs and less choice for consumers in the UK. Usual disproportionate effect on small importers.
...
Two weeks to go:

Cold Chain Federation:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 9897094145

“It is extremely disappointing that the Government announced the charges at the last minute, leaving affected businesses little time to revise their commercial arrangements with EU customers. This is in no way helpful to UK based importers and the whole EU supply chain. It reinforces the Government’s slapdash approach to a vital part of UK PLC.

“Our main concern is that this is now certain to negatively affect food prices. The confirmation that common user charges will apply from the 30th of April means that UK importers of medium and high-risk goods will have to pass this cost onto either the EU importer, the smaller UK retailer, or the UK consumer.

“EU exporters are also shouldering the additional cost of Health Certificates which may discourage many from exporting food and plant products to the UK in future.

“Ultimately, this will increase business costs and food prices and potentially lower choices for the shopper."


"Weighing it up! How Will New Brexit Border Controls Impact Inflation and the Fresh Produce Industry?":
https://www.fpcfreshtalkdaily.co.uk/pos ... e-industry
includes:

"The implications for the fresh produce and plant sectors are particularly severe.

"In a statement, Nigel Jenney, Chief Executive of the Fresh Produce Consortium (FPC), called the newly introduced Common User Charges (CUCs) a "thinly veiled tax on the industry." He warned that these exorbitant fees could add £200 million in costs across the industry and shatter supply chain confidence.

"The CUC system presents a significant barrier for small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Despite being capped, the fees remain substantial at £145 per consignment arriving via Dover or Eurotunnel, making the system unsustainable for many businesses."


Jonathan
User avatar
al_yrpal
Posts: 11701
Joined: 25 Jul 2007, 9:47pm
Location: Think Cheddar and Cider
Contact:

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by al_yrpal »

Some nice negative stories for you to trash Britain once more.... Whether they make any difference to anyone is unclear or whether other unmentioned positives outweigh them?

Al
Reuse, recycle, thus do your bit to save the planet.... Get stuff at auctions, Dump, Charity Shops, Facebook Marketplace, Ebay, Car Boots. Choose an Old House, and a Banger ..... And cycle as often as you can......
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

al_yrpal wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 10:05am Some nice negative stories for you to trash Britain once more.... Whether they make any difference to anyone is unclear or whether other unmentioned positives outweigh them?
The industry has made it very clear what differences they think this will make. They're asking for more efficient and fairer checking processes, and sensible periods of notice before implementation.

And, as always, please take the opportunity to mention the positives...

Jonathan
wheelyhappy99
Posts: 253
Joined: 5 Jul 2020, 11:12am

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by wheelyhappy99 »

Some nice negative stories for you to trash Britain once more.... Whether they make any difference to anyone is unclear or whether other unmentioned positives outweigh them?
How is setting out the additional costs being imposed by the British government on importers, ultimately to be paid by consumers,
'trashing Britain'?
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Jdsk wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 9:23am
Jdsk wrote: 4 Apr 2024, 9:29am
Jdsk wrote: 27 Mar 2024, 8:51pm Defra Secretary Steve Barclay was asked to explain the Department's stance on funding checks for illegal meat imports when he appeared in front of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee on Tuesday.
Prior to the meeting, EFRA published a damning letter to it from Lucy Manzano, head of Dover port health & public protection, which suggested Defra had misled the committee of MPs in its response in February to questions on illegal meat import checks at the port and the decision to move legal customs checks to a new inland site from April.

https://www.npa-uk.org.uk/Barclay_quest ... hecks.html
https://committees.parliament.uk/commit ... committee/
The inspection charges have been published, with four weeks to go:
https://www.ft.com/content/38498a3b-ef3 ... pe=nongift
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/17 ... 6290845722
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/common-user ... ligibility

Higher costs and less choice for consumers in the UK. Usual disproportionate effect on small importers.
...
Two weeks to go:

Cold Chain Federation:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 9897094145

“It is extremely disappointing that the Government announced the charges at the last minute, leaving affected businesses little time to revise their commercial arrangements with EU customers. This is in no way helpful to UK based importers and the whole EU supply chain. It reinforces the Government’s slapdash approach to a vital part of UK PLC.

“Our main concern is that this is now certain to negatively affect food prices. The confirmation that common user charges will apply from the 30th of April means that UK importers of medium and high-risk goods will have to pass this cost onto either the EU importer, the smaller UK retailer, or the UK consumer.

“EU exporters are also shouldering the additional cost of Health Certificates which may discourage many from exporting food and plant products to the UK in future.

“Ultimately, this will increase business costs and food prices and potentially lower choices for the shopper."


"Weighing it up! How Will New Brexit Border Controls Impact Inflation and the Fresh Produce Industry?":
https://www.fpcfreshtalkdaily.co.uk/pos ... e-industry
includes:

"The implications for the fresh produce and plant sectors are particularly severe.

"In a statement, Nigel Jenney, Chief Executive of the Fresh Produce Consortium (FPC), called the newly introduced Common User Charges (CUCs) a "thinly veiled tax on the industry." He warned that these exorbitant fees could add £200 million in costs across the industry and shatter supply chain confidence.

"The CUC system presents a significant barrier for small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Despite being capped, the fees remain substantial at £145 per consignment arriving via Dover or Eurotunnel, making the system unsustainable for many businesses."
Plants

"HTA members echo the call for urgent clarity ahead of cliff-edge border changes":
https://hta.org.uk/news/hta-members-ech ... er-changes

"Common User Charge announcement":
https://hta.org.uk/news/common-user-charge-announcement
Whilst it is welcome that it has at last been published, the Common User Charge (CUC) announcement at the eleventh hour confirms our fears that in just one month, UK horticulture’s competitiveness will be again hit by a cost hike for no material gain. 90% of our growers import plants at some stage of the growing cycle. Nearly 100% are SMEs and, in theory, subject to 100% checks and charges. Today, they have near 0% access to the easements or alternatives to BCP usage.

Jonathan
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Drugs

Nuffield Trust: "Patients face “new normal” of medicines shortages as UK hampered by supply issues and impact of EU exit":
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-i ... of-eu-exit

Jonathan
reohn2
Posts: 45399
Joined: 26 Jun 2009, 8:21pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by reohn2 »

wheelyhappy99 wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 7:37pm
Some nice negative stories for you to trash Britain once more.... Whether they make any difference to anyone is unclear or whether other unmentioned positives outweigh them?
How is setting out the additional costs being imposed by the British government on importers, ultimately to be paid by consumers,
'trashing Britain'?
No one's "trashing Britain" except the Tories for these past 14years including their Brexit debacle.Though in Al's world Brexit is a success and anyone who points out the bleedin' obvious with links to prove it is an enemy of the country!
-----------------------------------------------------------
"All we are not stares back at what we are"
W H Auden
reohn2
Posts: 45399
Joined: 26 Jun 2009, 8:21pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by reohn2 »

Jdsk wrote: 18 Apr 2024, 8:41am Drugs

Nuffield Trust: "Patients face “new normal” of medicines shortages as UK hampered by supply issues and impact of EU exit":
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-i ... of-eu-exit

Jonathan
I listened to three Diabetics on JV phone in at lunchtime struggling with availability of insulin and needles they were assured was due to Brexit.
-----------------------------------------------------------
"All we are not stares back at what we are"
W H Auden
the snail
Posts: 354
Joined: 5 Aug 2011, 3:11pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by the snail »

reohn2 wrote: 18 Apr 2024, 11:07am
wheelyhappy99 wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 7:37pm
Some nice negative stories for you to trash Britain once more.... Whether they make any difference to anyone is unclear or whether other unmentioned positives outweigh them?
How is setting out the additional costs being imposed by the British government on importers, ultimately to be paid by consumers,
'trashing Britain'?
No one's "trashing Britain" except the Tories for these past 14years including their Brexit debacle.Though in Al's world Brexit is a success and anyone who points out the bleedin' obvious with links to prove it is an enemy of the country!
Indeed, and the 17 million useful idiots that voted for this mess. Hard to argue wioth anything Heseltine says here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Llw8vJz0A
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Jdsk wrote: 10 Mar 2024, 2:00pm
tim-b wrote: 10 Mar 2024, 1:50pm
Many people managing the supply chains and depending on them to work are saying the opposite: that we're not ready for 30 April. The Cold Chain Federation are a typical example, as cited upthread
I don't think that what I said is the opposite.
The Government isn't grasping their role in addressing concerns and making necessary decisions
To compound that they aren't putting the right people in place at the right time
Thanks

Can we agree that it's the Government's responsibility and that sensible voices from industry are very concerned about the April deadline and the effects of not being ready?
Jdsk wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 10:11am
al_yrpal wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 10:05am Some nice negative stories for you to trash Britain once more.... Whether they make any difference to anyone is unclear or whether other unmentioned positives outweigh them?
The industry has made it very clear what differences they think this will make. They're asking for more efficient and fairer checking processes, and sensible periods of notice before implementation.

And, as always, please take the opportunity to mention the positives...
"UK will not ‘turn on’ post-Brexit checks of EU goods for fear of border delays":
https://www.ft.com/content/ba197465-65d ... 0a8d19ef48
(may be paywalled)

That's the fifth time that it's been delayed. But that's probably better than a chaotic introduction, and fortunately the traders pointed out the problems very clearly.

How is business supposed to plan when this keeps happening? Just embarrassing that we can't establish a post-Brexit border, amid repeated claims this time will be different.
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status ... 2305861086

And, let's be clear, this isn't just some administrative technicality. These checks serve a purpose. Every day that full import controls are not in place carries heightened risks of importing e.g. animal diseases or other harmful products.
https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/sta ... 3845131559

Jonathan
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Radio 4, "The Food Programme" on import controls on... food:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001y8gb

Same points as covered upthread, lots of stories from individual traders, and only marred by the economic analysis just before the end.

I think that it must have been recorded before yesterday's FT article.

Recommended, but only if you don't already understand what's happening. Or, apparently, not happening this time either.

Jonathan
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Jdsk wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 8:34am
Jdsk wrote: 10 Mar 2024, 2:00pm
tim-b wrote: 10 Mar 2024, 1:50pm
I don't think that what I said is the opposite.
The Government isn't grasping their role in addressing concerns and making necessary decisions
To compound that they aren't putting the right people in place at the right time
Thanks

Can we agree that it's the Government's responsibility and that sensible voices from industry are very concerned about the April deadline and the effects of not being ready?
Jdsk wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 10:11am
al_yrpal wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 10:05am Some nice negative stories for you to trash Britain once more.... Whether they make any difference to anyone is unclear or whether other unmentioned positives outweigh them?
The industry has made it very clear what differences they think this will make. They're asking for more efficient and fairer checking processes, and sensible periods of notice before implementation.

And, as always, please take the opportunity to mention the positives...
"UK will not ‘turn on’ post-Brexit checks of EU goods for fear of border delays":
https://www.ft.com/content/ba197465-65d ... 0a8d19ef48
(may be paywalled)

That's the fifth time that it's been delayed. But that's probably better than a chaotic introduction, and fortunately the traders pointed out the problems very clearly.

How is business supposed to plan when this keeps happening? Just embarrassing that we can't establish a post-Brexit border, amid repeated claims this time will be different.
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status ... 2305861086

And, let's be clear, this isn't just some administrative technicality. These checks serve a purpose. Every day that full import controls are not in place carries heightened risks of importing e.g. animal diseases or other harmful products.
https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/sta ... 3845131559
The Select Committee has recognised the problem and the urgency. It's worth reading this letter to the Minister to get the strength of feeling about the failures of both planning and accountability:
https://committees.parliament.uk/public ... 2/default/

https://committees.parliament.uk/commit ... il-checks/

Jonathan
Jdsk
Posts: 25835
Joined: 5 Mar 2019, 5:42pm

Re: Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

Post by Jdsk »

Jdsk wrote: 25 Apr 2024, 3:07pm
Jdsk wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 8:34am
Jdsk wrote: 10 Mar 2024, 2:00pm Can we agree that it's the Government's responsibility and that sensible voices from industry are very concerned about the April deadline and the effects of not being ready?
Jdsk wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 10:11am The industry has made it very clear what differences they think this will make. They're asking for more efficient and fairer checking processes, and sensible periods of notice before implementation.

And, as always, please take the opportunity to mention the positives...
"UK will not ‘turn on’ post-Brexit checks of EU goods for fear of border delays":
https://www.ft.com/content/ba197465-65d ... 0a8d19ef48
(may be paywalled)

That's the fifth time that it's been delayed. But that's probably better than a chaotic introduction, and fortunately the traders pointed out the problems very clearly.

How is business supposed to plan when this keeps happening? Just embarrassing that we can't establish a post-Brexit border, amid repeated claims this time will be different.
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status ... 2305861086

And, let's be clear, this isn't just some administrative technicality. These checks serve a purpose. Every day that full import controls are not in place carries heightened risks of importing e.g. animal diseases or other harmful products.
https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/sta ... 3845131559
The Select Committee has recognised the problem and the urgency. It's worth reading this letter to the Minister to get the strength of feeling about the failures of both planning and accountability:
https://committees.parliament.uk/public ... 2/default/

https://committees.parliament.uk/commit ... il-checks/
"New post-Brexit checks on EU imports could add more than £8 a month to the average food shop":
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-04-26/new ... -food-shop

Jonathan
Post Reply