Can I join a shared pavement cycle path from the road at lights?

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Nearholmer wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 4:02pm If you bump up the kerb just to the left of the traffic light, I think you get a win on both fronts, legal and practical.
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Pinhead wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 11:17am
PH wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 3:03pm Technically you shouldn't cross the solid white line.
Realistically, I'd consider stopping there to be pointless. I frequently do similar.
I am a great one for NOT breaking the law, personally I would get off and walk on to the pavement, BUT, if there is no one there, I too see no harm as long as the lights are GREEN
Good point - and actually I'd forgotten one of the reasons for me going occasionally through on red.
These lights either have a fault or are set up incorrectly - the pedestrian crossing button is always on, so often the traffic is stopped even though nobody wants to cross. I know this because I take my son swimming at 5am and often have to stop at these lights despite being the only car at the junction whilst the lights allow nonexisting pedestrians to cross. In the dark you can see the button light up again as soon as the lights change.
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RockStrongo wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 2:43pm Hello - I routinely turn left at this corner by joining the shared path as the red line indicates.
If the traffic lights are red am I in the wrong? Obviously I'm not doing it if anyone is using the crossing.

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RockStrongo wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 11:24am These lights either have a fault or are set up incorrectly - the pedestrian crossing button is always on
I suugest you report the fault to the relevant highway authority.
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Pinhead wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 11:17am
PH wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 3:03pm Technically you shouldn't cross the solid white line.
Realistically, I'd consider stopping there to be pointless. I frequently do similar.
I am a great one for NOT breaking the law, personally I would get off and walk on to the pavement, BUT, if there is no one there, I too see no harm as long as the lights are GREEN
If you cross the solid white line while the light is red, even dismounted and pushing, you have broken the law. The offence is propelling, not driving.

But bumping up a kerb that ought not be there is annoying.
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mjr wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 8:50pm
Pinhead wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 11:17am
PH wrote: 16 Apr 2024, 3:03pm Technically you shouldn't cross the solid white line.
Realistically, I'd consider stopping there to be pointless. I frequently do similar.
I am a great one for NOT breaking the law, personally I would get off and walk on to the pavement, BUT, if there is no one there, I too see no harm as long as the lights are GREEN
If you cross the solid white line while the light is red, even dismounted and pushing, you have broken the law. The offence is propelling, not driving.

But bumping up a kerb that ought not be there is annoying.
Show me the relevant part of the highway code that says that
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Pinhead wrote: 20 Apr 2024, 11:49am
mjr wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 8:50pm
Pinhead wrote: 19 Apr 2024, 11:17am

I am a great one for NOT breaking the law, personally I would get off and walk on to the pavement, BUT, if there is no one there, I too see no harm as long as the lights are GREEN
If you cross the solid white line while the light is red, even dismounted and pushing, you have broken the law. The offence is propelling, not driving.

But bumping up a kerb that ought not be there is annoying.
Show me the relevant part of the highway code that says that
Roads and transport act 1988 section 36 (...I thnk).. the wording does including both driving and propelling... and thus if you did cause your cycle to cross the solid white line, whilst the light was on red, you would be guily of the offence..

..but most likely caught on someone's web cam, placed on the Internet, probably with the caption '100 things I hate about cyclists...'

Technically if we have passed our driving test, we would have signed a document, promising the government that we would keep ourselves up to date with all legislation pertaining to the use of the highway. Thus it is encumbered on ourselves to have an up to date copy of the highway code where we can make our own references..

..I suspect the reason for the lack of a dropped kerb from the advanced cycle stop to the cycle path on the pavement is to stop small capacity motorcycles and scooters using it to by pass the lights..
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There's nothing to stop you getting off and pulling the bike up onto the shared path and cycling on it
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Pinhead wrote: 20 Apr 2024, 11:49am Show me the relevant part of the highway code that says that
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Cowsham wrote: 20 Apr 2024, 2:09pm There's nothing to stop you getting off and pulling the bike up onto the shared path and cycling on it
I don't know the location and the OP's image is unclear. I cannot be sure there is any form of pavement the nearside of the white line rather than a worn down desire line across a grass verge. Leaving that aside the crossing arrangement appears to be a pedestrian crossing with a parallel cycle crossing. Signage indicates these merge into a shared path as they round the corner but I see no indication that cycling is allowed in the landing zone of the pedestrian crossing.
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gaz wrote: 20 Apr 2024, 3:01pm
Cowsham wrote: 20 Apr 2024, 2:09pm There's nothing to stop you getting off and pulling the bike up onto the shared path and cycling on it
I don't know the location and the OP's image is unclear. I cannot be sure there is any form of pavement the nearside of the white line rather than a worn down desire line across a grass verge. Leaving that aside the crossing arrangement appears to be a pedestrian crossing with a parallel cycle crossing. Signage indicates these merge into a shared path as they round the corner but I see no indication that cycling is allowed in the landing zone of the pedestrian crossing.
Then I'd wheel it to the shared bit and jump on looks only about 5 yards away at most
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It's probably not a good idea to do it if there is a copper or two standing there.
Otherwise it's fine. Legally it may be illegal to ride past the white stop line, but pragmatically it's safer to do the manoeuvre you suggest. It's also better for any drivers behind you.
I do similar without issues.
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