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gaz
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Re: Women only club rides

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mattheus wrote: 7 May 2024, 1:46pm I'd also like to ask this question (in the light of some earlier posts) - in a rhetorical fashion, hopefully to stimulate debate:

Would a club that is entirely wealthy white christian straight women in the 35-55 age group be considered "inclusive"?
To answer, in an equally rhetorical fashion, if that club had membership criteria that could only reasonably be met by white christian straight women in the 35-55 age group then I would not consider it inclusive.

However, if the same club has just been started by a not notably diverse collective of two wealthy white christian straight women in the 35-55 age group with an expressed aim to be inclusive and create a diverse group of 300+ members in four years ... :wink:
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mattheus wrote: 7 May 2024, 1:46pm
freeflow wrote: 7 May 2024, 1:05pm
Do you not think that limits MALE participation too?
Of course. But the question was about Women riders.
Yes, fair point :D

I didn't intend to criticise the point you made; it was more that I wanted to encourage wider thinking on this complex problem. When you talk to women about the kind of behaviours that discourage participation, it turns out there is a huge overlap with the behaviours that discourage ALL KINDS of potential new members.

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I'd also like to ask this question (in the light of some earlier posts) - in a rhetorical fashion, hopefully to stimulate debate:

Would a club that is entirely wealthy white christian straight women in the 35-55 age group be considered "inclusive"?
Thanks for asking the questions, to my mind they are very valid.

Personally my view is that blokes deserve to be allowed their own space too and therefore it’s unreasonable to expect them to change their behaviour, well other than for it to be within the bounds of civilised behaviour. If they want a lads’ culture that’s fine and if they just don’t want the distraction of women that’s fine too. To balance that if the women in my life wanted separate rides I’d support that, let them go at their pace and ride in a way that suits them. What groups would I prefer to cycle in? I think that women can add positive dynamics to a group, but really what’s important is group dynamics rather than gender, etc. We really should try to set gender to one side and view our cycling companions as individuals.
Don’t fret, it’s OK to: ride a simple old bike; ride slowly, walk, rest and admire the view; ride off-road; ride in your raincoat; ride by yourself; ride in the dark; and ride one hundred yards or one hundred miles. Your bike and your choices to suit you.
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Personally my view is that blokes deserve to be allowed their own space too and therefore it’s unreasonable to expect them to change their behaviour, well other than for it to be within the bounds of civilised behaviour.
I'd hope that the civilized behaviour excludes misogynistic macho d**kheadedness.
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freeflow wrote: 7 May 2024, 10:10pm
Personally my view is that blokes deserve to be allowed their own space too and therefore it’s unreasonable to expect them to change their behaviour, well other than for it to be within the bounds of civilised behaviour.
I'd hope that the civilized behaviour excludes misogynistic macho d**kheadedness.
On-line dictionaries can be very helpful. Using Google I see that: If a person or their behaviour is civilised, they are polite and behave in a calm and reasonable way. I don’t expect people to be perfect in every way - there aren’t many perfect people - but to my understanding civilised behaviour clearly excludes misogynistic macho d**kheadedness.
Don’t fret, it’s OK to: ride a simple old bike; ride slowly, walk, rest and admire the view; ride off-road; ride in your raincoat; ride by yourself; ride in the dark; and ride one hundred yards or one hundred miles. Your bike and your choices to suit you.
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Re: Women only club rides

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gaz wrote: 7 May 2024, 9:32pm
mattheus wrote: 7 May 2024, 1:46pm I'd also like to ask this question (in the light of some earlier posts) - in a rhetorical fashion, hopefully to stimulate debate:

Would a club that is entirely wealthy white christian straight women in the 35-55 age group be considered "inclusive"?
To answer, in an equally rhetorical fashion, if that club had membership criteria that could only reasonably be met by white christian straight women in the 35-55 age group then I would not consider it inclusive.
I didn't mention "membership criteria" at all. Not sure why you added that to your answer.
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BrawleyS wrote: 3 May 2024, 10:13am My club would like to increase the number of female members.

One idea is the introduction of women only rides, led by a woman.
Good luck to them - the sheer amount of male testosterone b*ll$#!t ('look at me, i'm so much faster than everyone else') in some clubs must be overwhelming to the point that some may be put off riding altogether.
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BrawleyS wrote: 3 May 2024, 10:13am My club would like to increase the number of female members.

One idea is the introduction of women only rides, led by a woman.

We have a concern that this move might result in the migration of some of our current female members from mixed rides to the women only rides.

Does any club with female only rides have evidence to support this or not?
I don't do group rides but a couple of thoughts:
We have a concern that this move might result in the migration of some of our current female members from mixed rides to the women only rides.-Does that really matter. If people enjoy their rides isn't that the main point? And if women leave the mixed rides is that an indication about attitudes on those rides? If women left ghe mixed rides it may indicate other women were not joining in because of the factors causing women to switch to women only.

Rides I pass around me are some e, some all male. Mixed rides are midweek and those riding of retirement age. Male dominated rides tend to be weekends on busier roads in a close bunched peloton, lits of carbon, lots of lycra. Is there an aspect ss to the type of rides at what times?

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Carlton green wrote: 7 May 2024, 9:52pm To balance that if the women in my life wanted separate rides I’d support that, let them go at their pace and ride in a way that suits them.
The women in your life must be thrilled to hear that they've been allowed to go at their pace and ride in a way that suits them. I don't think the bit after "I'd support that" really needed saying.
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Nicholas wrote: 13 May 2024, 8:25am The women in your life must be thrilled to hear that they've been allowed to go at their pace and ride in a way that suits them.
I read 'let them go...' as the common use of 'let' to introduce a third person imperative, not the use of 'let' meaning to allow.
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slowster wrote: 13 May 2024, 8:52am
Nicholas wrote: 13 May 2024, 8:25am The women in your life must be thrilled to hear that they've been allowed to go at their pace and ride in a way that suits them.
I read 'let them go...' as the common use of 'let' to introduce a third person imperative, not the use of 'let' meaning to allow.
A quick google suggests the main example of this is:
Let them eat cake!

Is that the form you mean? I know that didn't end well for the speaker [a woman as I recall] ... :-/
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mattheus wrote: 13 May 2024, 9:31am
slowster wrote: 13 May 2024, 8:52am
Nicholas wrote: 13 May 2024, 8:25am The women in your life must be thrilled to hear that they've been allowed to go at their pace and ride in a way that suits them.
I read 'let them go...' as the common use of 'let' to introduce a third person imperative, not the use of 'let' meaning to allow.
A quick google suggests the main example of this is:
Let them eat cake!

Is that the form you mean? I know that didn't end well for the speaker [a woman as I recall] ... :-/
To quote from Wikipedia "Although the phrase is conventionally attributed to Marie Antoinette, it can actually be traced back to Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions in 1765, 24 years prior to the French Revolution, and when Antoinette was nine years old and had never been to France. The quote was only attributed to her decades after her death, and historians do not believe that she said it'
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Re: Women only club rides

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richardfm wrote: 13 May 2024, 9:34am
mattheus wrote: 13 May 2024, 9:31am

A quick google suggests the main example of this is:
Let them eat cake!
...
To quote from Wikipedia "Although the phrase is conventionally attributed to Marie Antoinette, it can actually be traced back to Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions in 1765, 24 years prior to the French Revolution, and when Antoinette was nine years old and had never been to France. The quote was only attributed to her decades after her death, and historians do not believe that she said it'
Well *I* believe she said it. And that's all that matters.

Thankyou for the information anyway, Richard :-)
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