Wheel reflectors

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Re: Wheel reflectors

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Audax67 wrote: 14 May 2024, 5:24pm
deeferdonk wrote: 14 May 2024, 2:32pm I wonder if anyone has ever had any legal consequences for not having pedal reflectors. I suppose any driver who might knock you down might use it as a defence in court and a chance to blame the victim.
Is there anything in THE LAW (portentous voice in echo chamber, please) that states in which direction the reflectors must be facing?
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Jdsk wrote: 11 May 2024, 10:48pm "Everything you need to know about cycle lighting regulations":
https://www.cyclinguk.org/lighting-regulations
and scroll down to Pedal reflectors.

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Re: Wheel reflectors

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If you plan on riding in Germany you need two yellow reflectors in each wheel or tyres with reflective sidewalls. You also need four yellow pedal reflectors, a red rear reflector and a white front reflector. It is possible to fit pedal reflectors to many clip-in pedals but they are usually an extra.

My personal view is that all these are useful. Pedal reflectors flash and are low during every turn, so they catch dipped lights first and will attract attention. I am less sure of the value of wheel or tyre reflectors: the driver sees them as you cross their path and you are gone before they have time to react. In any case, good lights are much more valuable as they can be seen even when no light is shining on them. Having said that, I have a lot of reflective stickers on all my bikes: red to rear and white to front. You can buy packs of them. They don't cost much.
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Re: Wheel reflectors

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plancashire wrote: 14 May 2024, 9:14pm
My personal view is that all these are useful. Pedal reflectors flash and are low during every turn, so they catch dipped lights first and will attract attention.
I cycle during the evening and night, and I too think pedal refectors are a good way of signalling to other traffic that your on a bike..
However I don't know of a less enforceable vehicle design regulation. Its pretty redundant in the face of clip in pedals, and the refectors are easy to break and loose.. or even in some cases, just covered in mud from the day's ride...

Equally I'm not what the police are supposed to do if they find you cycling beyond your bed time on a bike without any pedal refectors- take your bike away? Follow you home really slowly you make sure you get safely to bed? Use dark humour against you? I'm pretty sure the police don't know either.

Personally I'm surprised cuk haven't mounted a campaign to repeal the law... if its not enforced, or enforceable, why have it?
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It is slightly bizarre that the rules for what reflectors you need at the point of sale are different from what you need for riding on the road, but there you are.
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Re: Wheel reflectors

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Jdsk wrote: 14 May 2024, 5:26pm
Audax67 wrote: 14 May 2024, 5:24pm
deeferdonk wrote: 14 May 2024, 2:32pm I wonder if anyone has ever had any legal consequences for not having pedal reflectors. I suppose any driver who might knock you down might use it as a defence in court and a chance to blame the victim.
Is there anything in THE LAW (portentous voice in echo chamber, please) that states in which direction the reflectors must be facing?
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Jdsk wrote: 11 May 2024, 10:48pm "Everything you need to know about cycle lighting regulations":
https://www.cyclinguk.org/lighting-regulations
and scroll down to Pedal reflectors.

Jonathan
I must remember to change my pedals when it gets dark.
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Re: Wheel reflectors

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plancashire wrote: 14 May 2024, 9:14pm [...] If you plan on riding in Germany you need two yellow reflectors in each wheel or tyres with reflective sidewalls.[...]
As I understand it, you can have those spoke reflectors (often to be found in Aldlidl Midl Aldaisle), but only if they're on every spoke.

The other thing about cycling in Germany (or elsewhere in the EU) is that we used to be able to ride our bikes there subject only to UK regs providing we weren't staying too long. Has that easement now expired (cf Brexit Benefits)? Do we need to now meet all regs for all EU countries we cycle through (not sure if that's OT, it's still to do with reflectors ...).
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Galactic wrote: 15 May 2024, 1:33pm
plancashire wrote: 14 May 2024, 9:14pm [...] If you plan on riding in Germany you need two yellow reflectors in each wheel or tyres with reflective sidewalls.[...]
As I understand it, you can have those spoke reflectors (often to be found in Aldlidl Midl Aldaisle), but only if they're on every spoke.

The other thing about cycling in Germany (or elsewhere in the EU) is that we used to be able to ride our bikes there subject only to UK regs providing we weren't staying too long. Has that easement now expired (cf Brexit Benefits)? Do we need to now meet all regs for all EU countries we cycle through (not sure if that's OT, it's still to do with reflectors ...).
No, that's due to the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic. A UN convention, nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.
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Bmblbzzz wrote: 15 May 2024, 4:22pm No, that's due to the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic. A UN convention, nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.
That's reassuring, thanks.
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Audax67 wrote: 15 May 2024, 8:43am
I must remember to change my pedals when it gets dark.
Too late - i have reported you to the Crime stoppers hotline :lol:
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Re: Wheel reflectors

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Galactic wrote: 15 May 2024, 1:33pm
plancashire wrote: 14 May 2024, 9:14pm [...] If you plan on riding in Germany you need two yellow reflectors in each wheel or tyres with reflective sidewalls.[...]
As I understand it, you can have those spoke reflectors (often to be found in Aldlidl Midl Aldaisle), but only if they're on every spoke.

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Correct, they must be on every spoke and are white, like the tyre bands. They are a pest in my view, but some seem to like them.
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