Dead calm:killing in the Med.

[Mike Sales]

A documentary now showing on BBC 2 shows the horrible inhumanity in the treatment of desperate refugees by Greece, by coastguards and vigilantes. It shames the human race.
I fear that Reform UK's policies would lead to scenes like this in the Channel.
The vast majority of immigrants to the UK are legal, and needed. The few desperate refugees should not be treated like this.
The trite slogan is 'Stop the boats'. Is should be 'Stop the people '

[tim-b]

I fear that Reform UK's policies would lead to scenes like this in the Channel.

You're making the huge assumption that a) Reform UK will be in any kind of position of power and b) the party likely to be in power would adopt Reform's policies

Nigel Farage doesn't seem to understand that you can't navigate an ocean liner full of refugees from Clacton to Rwanda

[Mike Sales]

I fear that Reform UK's policies would lead to scenes like this in the Channel.

You're making the huge assumption that a) Reform UK will be in any kind of position of power and b) the party likely to be in power would adopt Reform's policies

Nigel Farage doesn't seem to understand that you can't navigate an ocean liner full of refugees from Clacton to Rwanda

Note the conditional 'would'.

[reohn2]

I fear that Reform UK's policies would lead to scenes like this in the Channel.

You're making the huge assumption that a) Reform UK will be in any kind of position of power and b) the party likely to be in power would adopt Reform's policies

Nigel Farage doesn't seem to understand that you can't navigate an ocean liner full of refugees from Clacton to Rwanda

That's not to say he and his sycophants wouldn't like to given the chance,eh?

[tim-b]

I fear that Reform UK's policies would lead to scenes like this in the Channel.

You're making the huge assumption that a) Reform UK will be in any kind of position of power and b) the party likely to be in power would adopt Reform's policies

Nigel Farage doesn't seem to understand that you can't navigate an ocean liner full of refugees from Clacton to Rwanda

Note the conditional 'would'.

I noted the word "fear". You are David Cameron and I claim £5 for spotting your latest project

[Mike Sales]

You're making the huge assumption that a) Reform UK will be in any kind of position of power and b) the party likely to be in power would adopt Reform's policies

Nigel Farage doesn't seem to understand that you can't navigate an ocean liner full of refugees from Clacton to Rwanda

Note the conditional 'would'.

I noted the word "fear". You are David Cameron and I claim £5 for spotting your latest project

I always try to be pithy.
I am sorry if you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
Long version.
I think that if Reform UK's policies on immigration were, by some unlikely mischance, to be implemented, the result would be similar to the scenes depicted by the BBC's documentary on the treatment of refugees by the Greeks.
I hope that you would think this an undesirable outcome.
This was meant to be a criticism of Farage's rabble rousing. You will find such criticism from many political quarters.

[al_yrpal]

Had several holidays on the lovely island of Samos which is just a mile from the Turkish coast and which has become a migrant magnet overwhelming the island. But...these reports are terrible, how can people be so cruel?

Al

[Cugel]

But...these reports are terrible, how can people be so cruel?

Al

*It starts with a certain variety of human nature, akin to that of C9th viking rape&pillage folk. But that ain't enough of itself.

* There's a number of nurture-methods employed on children which can produce a disdain for, and absence of, both empathy and sympathy. See 1950s style violent patriarchy and certain public school regimes as just two of many more examples.

* Various polities (and now the planet as a whole) are subject to a toxic mass media that seeks to promote and amplify both of the above, for all sorts of "reasons". Some nations also have long and toxic histories/myths and associated evil traditions. (See various British Empire traditions for details) on which such media feeds.

*****************

So, if one doesn't wish to fall into Farago-thunk, it may be necessary to: be more introspective (know thyself and hence others); forget or reject the running mental sores from childhood abuses; stop reading the likes of The Daily Hate Mail, Torygraft, a whole host of pus-filled internet websites et al.

Of course, certain human nature varieties will find it very difficult to give up their desire to "other" and persecute someone-anyone to salve their various personality-wounds, especially in nations full to the brim of both the wounded and the wound-givers (often the same folk).

[tim-b]

I always try to be pithy.
I am sorry if you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick

You were in "fear that Reform UK's policies would lead to scenes like this in the Channel." That's neither pithy nor precisely meaningful, unless you were in fear.

I think that if Reform UK's policies on immigration were, by some unlikely mischance...

That's pithy

I hope that you would think this an undesirable outcome

It's one of many reasons why I won't be voting for either Reform UK or any other party that considers immigration in general to be a bad thing.

[Mike Sales]

You seem to have grasped my meaning now, that's good.

[axel_knutt]

I fear that Reform UK's policies would lead to scenes like this in the Channel.

You're making the huge assumption that a) Reform UK will be in any kind of position of power and b) the party likely to be in power would adopt Reform's policies

Nigel Farage doesn't seem to understand that you can't navigate an ocean liner full of refugees from Clacton to Rwanda

"When I said I would introduce policies to stop the immigrants ten years ago you all laughed at me. Well I have to say, you're not laughing now, are you".
Nigel Farage, 2034.

[axel_knutt]

But...these reports are terrible, how can people be so cruel?

When people see out-groups being harmed, their brain response shows the same lack of empathy found in psychopaths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDjWryXdVd0

[tim-b]

You seem to have grasped my meaning now, that's good.

It's a pity that you haven't grasped sarcasm

[DaveReading]

It's a pity that you haven't grasped sarcasm

Probably studying the various forms of wit in descending order, just hasn't got that far yet ...

[pwa]

My reaction on hearing these dreadful accounts was a mix of horror, anger, despair and a sense of grim inevitability. The last of those feelings was based on an appreciation of how empathy can decline and brutality thrive when societies feel under pressure. But the severity of that decline in humanity did surprise and shock me. I wouldn't have been all that surprised by a bit of roughness or verbal abuse, whilst not condoning either of those. But calculated murder! This is humanity at its worst.

Well done to the Beeb for exposing this.