BEVs

[reohn2]

The same uniformed, or biased, interviewee stated an ic engine was worn out after 7 years! She must have been thinking about the 50's and Ford side valve engines, not today's engines. Trouble is anyone contemplating a used BV would likely believe it.

Yes,I'd forgot about that she was clearly talking nonsense.

EDIT:- BTW last MOT for the Smax I was chatting in the waiting room with a fleet manager,he was waiting for the company's diesel Merc van.He told me it had 183K miles on and was still running "as sweet as a nut",never used oil or coolant and only ever been serviced regularly by the company mechanic

EDIT No2:- just remembered,the last Transit van I bought for work was 1996 smiley face LWB Semi hi roof with 155k miles on it,direct from a company Called Natures Store,which according to the transport manager had been bazzing up and down the m/way all it's life,that to never used oil or coolant,I put about 20k miles on it,local work meant drive to job where the van sat all DAY unless I had to pick something from the merchants.Never had any trouble with it.
My 1997 1.8ltre petrol Mondeo est had 165k on when I sold it and you guessed it,it too never used oil or coolant never gave me any trouble.
The chap I sold it to about ten miles from where I live said he was going to use it as a stop gap for his taxi business.Two years later I saw R42SBU coming the other way with a private hire sign on top,heaven knows what kind of mileage that had on it by then

[Cugel]

Not everyone can meet their transport needs by a tiny car and a rail ticket. Even if we might all wish they could.

Needs or wants? There's a big difference. I want my own glider, airfield and instructor to keep me safe. I certainly don't need any of them, And not having them probably does me and everyone else a lot of good. You wouldn't want me crashing my glider into your house, would yer?

How did humans manage for those countless millennia when all we could do was walk and run through roadless and trackless wildness? Yet here we are. Even in the 1950s very few went winging about or more than 20 miles from home. We didn't all die of loneliness because we couldn't see a relative living 100 miles away every day. And sometimes we could (once year at least) when rail journeys or a long bus ride were an adventure rather than a series of mad accelerations and brakings whilst shouting expletives at the the other accelerators and brakers.

There was I time when I didn't own a battery drill and used a Stanely pump action screwdriver,however when I did buy a battery drill it rendered the Stanley useless,the same can said of many things,it's called progress.
That said "progress" isn't always progressive,like anything there's two sides to the story eg; an axe used properly can keep you warm on a cold night if there are trees about,but it can also be used to murder people.
Very few things are purely good and progressive,there's always a trade off to a greater or lesser extent.

PS,do you need a bicycle?

Did that Stanley pumper take a look at the smart new battery fellow and fall to pieces in a fit of depression at its shiny torque-iness? One suspects that Stan worked just as well as he always did and was far from useless. Will you call Mr Battery Drill progress when they stop making the particular battery shape?

In me tool shed there are several hand planes but also an electric planer. I rarely use the latter as the former seem .... well .... preferable. Perhaps I yam just a luddite. No need to wonder - I am! *

"Progress" is a slippery word with all sorts of subtle meanings, some of them contradictory to the others. It can be quite difficult, with a claimed progress that supposedly moves from "worse" to "better", to measure the full weights, scopes, qualities or quantities of the worsts and betters. Many of them don't become evident for decades or even centuries.

We once thought that farming and steel-making were progress because they made so many other things "better". However, even now we haven't had the full bill for this progress .... although we can see a grim figure with a scythe approaching over the near horizon with the final bill. (That's Pukin with a nuclear bomb-cart just behind The Reaper; and a bloke from Porton Down with a cart full of summick even worse).

*Please look up the full scope of "luddite" as it doesn't just mean "against the machine or change" but rather against certain kinds of machine or change that have vast hidden and often unadmitted costs.

[Biospace]

Biospace
Thanks

What was it Orwell said about telling the truth appearing a revolutionary act?

I think this is massively overstated, often disingenuously. The amount of minerals mined for batteries is tiny in the scheme of things. It's funny how the environmental impact of mining suddenly became an issue when lithium batteries for EVs came along.
https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/a ... ization-2/

It's not just the mining but also the manufacture of batteries if you check back in this pps you'll see BEVs need to run many tens of thousands of miles to "break even" with ICE cars on pollution.
Listening to R4 this evening I heard a pro BEV representative claiming that BEV batteries are still holding 50% charge after 8years use(she sighted a Nissan Leaf as an example)and that at the end of their life batteries can broken down and reused,she also claimed ICE car engines couldn't which of course is BS.

The same uniformed, or biased, interviewee stated an ic engine was worn out after 7 years! She must have been thinking about the 50's and Ford side valve engines, not today's engines. Trouble is anyone contemplating a used BV would likely believe it.

There is a huge amount of mis- and dis-information being broadcast through our media; in 'reassuring' its readers about BEV fires, the Guardian was suggesting that failure of a cooling system on an ICEv was a common route to fire in petrol and diesel cars. The level of understanding in Britain regading all things practical is woeful, increasingly so.

One factor in the plummeting value of BEVs is buyers' remorse, we should be asking why this is. There are likely many more contented owners of BEVs than not - as I've stated repeatedly here, they can offer a superb driving experience for those with the money and have been heavily subsidised - but it is clearly not all positive. It really doesn't help when Government helps propogate large untruths, since most people do believe whatever they're told, if it's from an "official" source.

[Biospace]

This picture sums up what many feel is going wrong with motor cars, whether battery or engine powered.

[the snail]

This picture sums up what many feel is going wrong with motor cars, whether battery or engine powered.


vehicles growing larger.jpg

Saw a couple stood next to a US pickup yesterday, the bonnet was more or less shoulder height to the woman. Utterly ridiculous.

[al_yrpal]

I call em Thugmobiles....

Al

[Mike Sales]

I call em Thugmobiles....

Al

SUV bullies XL?

[Biospace]

Initially I thought the picture had been constructed with AI, but on closer inspection it appeared not. Earlier today I passed a line of vehicles going the other way, they were mostly massive SUVs - the Transit van in the middle was dwarfed by these crazy giants.

With the coming of electric traction, it's going to be cheaper than ever for people to afford to run such things.

[Carlton green]

Initially I thought the picture had been constructed with AI, but on closer inspection it appeared not. Earlier today I passed a line of vehicles going the other way, they were mostly massive SUVs - the Transit van in the middle was dwarfed by these crazy giants.

With the coming of electric traction, it's going to be cheaper than ever for people to afford to run such things.

Yes, crazy giants.

At some point HMRC will throw their teddies out of the pram and the game will be over. Look forward to ‘brew your own’ (electricity in this case) being tax free and anything else (commercially supplied) will, one way or another, be hammered.

[Biospace]

Yes, crazy giants.

At some point HMRC will throw their teddies out of the pram and the game will be over. Look forward to ‘brew your own’ (electricity in this case) being tax free and anything else (commercially supplied) will, one way or another, be hammered.

But why allow the excesses in the first place, if they believe Mankind's future is at stake? The toxic environmental legacies are set to be vast.

[reohn2]

Needs or wants? There's a big difference. I want my own glider, airfield and instructor to keep me safe. I certainly don't need any of them, And not having them probably does me and everyone else a lot of good. You wouldn't want me crashing my glider into your house, would yer?

How did humans manage for those countless millennia when all we could do was walk and run through roadless and trackless wildness? Yet here we are. Even in the 1950s very few went winging about or more than 20 miles from home. We didn't all die of loneliness because we couldn't see a relative living 100 miles away every day. And sometimes we could (once year at least) when rail journeys or a long bus ride were an adventure rather than a series of mad accelerations and brakings whilst shouting expletives at the the other accelerators and brakers.

There was I time when I didn't own a battery drill and used a Stanely pump action screwdriver,however when I did buy a battery drill it rendered the Stanley useless,the same can said of many things,it's called progress.
That said "progress" isn't always progressive,like anything there's two sides to the story eg; an axe used properly can keep you warm on a cold night if there are trees about,but it can also be used to murder people.
Very few things are purely good and progressive,there's always a trade off to a greater or lesser extent.

PS,do you need a bicycle?

Did that Stanley pumper take a look at the smart new battery fellow and fall to pieces in a fit of depression at its shiny torque-iness? One suspects that Stan worked just as well as he always did and was far from useless. Will you call Mr Battery Drill progress when they stop making the particular battery shape?

In me tool shed there are several hand planes but also an electric planer. I rarely use the latter as the former seem .... well .... preferable. Perhaps I yam just a luddite. No need to wonder - I am! *

You've never had to earn your living "on the tools" and as someone whose only ever played at joinery an cabinetmaking(nowt wrong with that many amateurs are very good at whatever it is they play at) and so having never had time imposed for any given job.
The battery drill/various saws/planer etc,etc was a revelation to the tradesman/woman don't knock what you haven't had to earn a living from.
Oh and BTW I own six hand planes(used to be ten but gave a couple away and sold a couple of classic planes that I no longer needed) that have all been "fettled" by my own fair hands.

"Progress" is a slippery word with all sorts of subtle meanings, some of them contradictory to the others. It can be quite difficult, with a claimed progress that supposedly moves from "worse" to "better", to measure the full weights, scopes, qualities or quantities of the worsts and betters. Many of them don't become evident for decades or even centuries.

We once thought that farming and steel-making were progress because they made so many other things "better". However, even now we haven't had the full bill for this progress .... although we can see a grim figure with a scythe approaching over the near horizon with the final bill. (That's Pukin with a nuclear bomb-cart just behind The Reaper; and a bloke from Porton Down with a cart full of summick even worse).

You're a wordsmith who likes playing with them,be my guest

*Please look up the full scope of "luddite" as it doesn't just mean "against the machine or change" but rather against certain kinds of machine or change that have vast hidden and often unadmitted costs.

I don't need to,I know

[reohn2]

This picture sums up what many feel is going wrong with motor cars, whether battery or engine powered.


vehicles growing larger.jpg

They,like Range Rovers,have become a fashion statement imported from the good old USofA .When I was working I always had LWB 100 Transits because they did the job perfectly,now it seems every man Jack has an over blown crew cab pickup truck that has an open back open to the weather and nowhere near long enough and needing a box in the load bay for tools easily broken into by scroats.I know a tiler who does exclusively bathrooms who has one

[reohn2]

Yes, crazy giants.

At some point HMRC will throw their teddies out of the pram and the game will be over. Look forward to ‘brew your own’ (electricity in this case) being tax free and anything else (commercially supplied) will, one way or another, be hammered.

But why allow the excesses in the first place, if they believe Mankind's future is at stake? The toxic environmental legacies are set to be vast.

Capitalism rules OK

[wheelyhappy99]

One factor in the plummeting value of BEVs is buyers' remorse,

Any evidence for these assertions?

[Carlton green]

One factor in the plummeting value of BEVs is buyers' remorse,

Any evidence for these assertions?

If you (really do) want people to respond to you then it’s best to quote them properly (ie. in a way attributes the quote). In this case Biospace might have no idea that you’ve quoted him.

I don’t make the assertion you quote but when I asked the question of Google (electric car buyers remorse) the assertion that some buyers regret buying electric cars appeared to have some support. To be fair the picture is mixed rather than polarised.