Assisted Dying

[rjb]

A lump hammer ? No too much cleaning up afterwards for her -- ride your bike off the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct -- might as well go in style.

Nah, too difficult. Last time I ventured across I only got 1/4 way across and had to hold tight onto the railings until Swmbo came and collected me.
Forget the lump hammer I got hit by vertigo.

[cycle tramp]

I am grateful for that this forum has allowed this thread. And I am also very sorry for those who have been forced into the terrible position of watching a loved one having to ensure suffering in the knowledge that medically they were not going to survive their condition..
..I will be writing in support that discussions begin on how a legal framework is best drawn which balances the wishes of those seeking to end their life, and those who have no one to speak on their behalf who so not, but may come under pressure from other organisations to consider it...

[axel_knutt]

I increasingly find my self judging which 8-wheeler could wipe me out with a small variation in my bike steering.

I've seen a woman run out onto the motorway, get hit by a car in the fast lane, go flying through the air, then get up and carry on running across the other carriageway.

[Cowsham]

I am grateful for that this forum has allowed this thread. And I am also very sorry for those who have been forced into the terrible position of watching a loved one having to ensure suffering in the knowledge that medically they were not going to survive their condition..
..I will be writing in support that discussions begin on how a legal framework is best drawn which balances the wishes of those seeking to end their life, and those who have no one to speak on their behalf who do not, but may come under pressure from other organisations to consider it...

(Corrected " so " to " do " my bold assume that's what you meant )

Agreed and it will be interesting to see how it works on the island -- I'll be checking what safeguards are in place to prevent pressure on terminally ill to take that option.

[Jdsk]

...
..I will be writing in support that discussions begin on how a legal framework is best drawn which balances the wishes of those seeking to end their life, and those who have no one to speak on their behalf who so not, but may come under pressure from other organisations to consider it...

What do you think of the current Bill in this regard?

Thanks

Jonathan

[axel_knutt]

I am grateful for that this forum has allowed this thread. And I am also very sorry for those who have been forced into the terrible position of watching a loved one having to ensure suffering in the knowledge that medically they were not going to survive their condition..
..I will be writing in support that discussions begin on how a legal framework is best drawn which balances the wishes of those seeking to end their life, and those who have no one to speak on their behalf who do not, but may come under pressure from other organisations to consider it...

(Corrected " so " to " do " my bold assume that's what you meant )

Agreed and it will be interesting to see how it works on the island -- I'll be checking what safeguards are in place to prevent pressure on terminally ill to take that option.

Gosport demonstrates that it's already going on, no need for pressure, no safeguards.

[Cowsham]

I am grateful for that this forum has allowed this thread. And I am also very sorry for those who have been forced into the terrible position of watching a loved one having to ensure suffering in the knowledge that medically they were not going to survive their condition..
..I will be writing in support that discussions begin on how a legal framework is best drawn which balances the wishes of those seeking to end their life, and those who have no one to speak on their behalf who do not, but may come under pressure from other organisations to consider it...

(Corrected " so " to " do " my bold assume that's what you meant )

Agreed and it will be interesting to see how it works on the island -- I'll be checking what safeguards are in place to prevent pressure on terminally ill to take that option.

Gosport demonstrates that it's already going on, no need for pressure, no safeguards.
Gosport.jpg

That was before Harold Shipman was caught. Wasn't there a lot of safeguards brought in after that? -- ( so much so I think it went too far and hence the call for assisted dieing now )

[axel_knutt]

Wasn't there a lot of safeguards brought in after that?

If you think there's any accountability in the NHS you need to listen to those with the personal experience to know better. As the Gosport Inquiry itself says, people who complained were ignored and dismissed as trouble makers. Nothing has changed.

[briansnail]

I've seen a woman run out onto the motorway, get hit by a car in the fast lane, go flying through the air, then get up and carry on running across the other carriageway.

Unbelievable must have been Superwomen.
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531

[axel_knutt]

I've seen a woman run out onto the motorway, get hit by a car in the fast lane, go flying through the air, then get up and carry on running across the other carriageway.

Unbelievable must have been Superwomen.

I didn't see it in person, I should add, it was on telly, a motorway police type of documentary I think. She was running away from someone chasing her.

[Cowsham]

Wasn't there a lot of safeguards brought in after that?

If you think there's any accountability in the NHS you need to listen to those with the personal experience to know better. As the Gosport Inquiry itself says, people who complained were ignored and dismissed as trouble makers. Nothing has changed.

I remember in a time in the 80's before Shipman my father telling me about visiting an old friend of ours " Davy " who was in hospital and the docs were trying to find out what was wrong with him.
Davy was normally a very happy placid sort of man who would always be a joy to talk to but at this time was frustrated and angry, a side of him my father had never seen before.
Turned out they were keeping the diagnosis of terminal prostate cancer from him ( I don't know why -- they did things differently back then I guess )
This was before there were the early diagnosis and treatments like we have now and by this time he was terminally ill.
When the doctors finally told him his usual happy demeanor returned and told my father he was ready to go. The doctors "helped" him on his way and he passed peacefully.

Yes another anecdote of mine but true and it happened a lot before Shipman.

After Shipman people languished in terrible pain for too long before the end because of the "safeguards " brought in so my opinion is he ( or unfit for purpose judges / law makers ) done much more damage after he was caught than before.

[axel_knutt]

Wasn't there a lot of safeguards brought in after that?

If you think there's any accountability in the NHS you need to listen to those with the personal experience to know better. As the Gosport Inquiry itself says, people who complained were ignored and dismissed as trouble makers. Nothing has changed.

I remember in a time in the 80's before Shipman my father telling me about visiting an old friend of ours " Davy " who was in hospital and the docs were trying to find out what was wrong with him.
Davy was normally a very happy placid sort of man who would always be a joy to talk to but at this time was frustrated and angry, a side of him my father had never seen before.
Turned out they were keeping the diagnosis of terminal prostate cancer from him ( I don't know why -- they did things differently back then I guess )
This was before there were the early diagnosis and treatments like we have now and by this time he was terminally ill.
When the doctors finally told him his usual happy demeanor returned and told my father he was ready to go. The doctors "helped" him on his way and he passed peacefully.

Yes another anecdote of mine but true and it happened a lot before Shipman.

After Shipman people languished in terrible pain for too long before the end because of the "safeguards " brought in so my opinion is he ( or unfit for purpose judges / law makers ) done much more damage after he was caught than before.

So things are different now are they? Then perhaps you'd like to tell me when the NHS are going to answer this letter, this "Major" diagnosis was put on my record 20 days after I had a brain scan:

[Cowsham]

I remember in a time in the 80's before Shipman my father telling me about visiting an old friend of ours " Davy " who was in hospital and the docs were trying to find out what was wrong with him.
Davy was normally a very happy placid sort of man who would always be a joy to talk to but at this time was frustrated and angry, a side of him my father had never seen before.
Turned out they were keeping the diagnosis of terminal prostate cancer from him ( I don't know why -- they did things differently back then I guess )
This was before there were the early diagnosis and treatments like we have now and by this time he was terminally ill.
When the doctors finally told him his usual happy demeanor returned and told my father he was ready to go. The doctors "helped" him on his way and he passed peacefully.

Yes another anecdote of mine but true and it happened a lot before Shipman.

After Shipman people languished in terrible pain for too long before the end because of the "safeguards " brought in so my opinion is he ( or unfit for purpose judges / law makers ) done much more damage after he was caught than before.

So things are different now are they? Then perhaps you'd like to tell me when the NHS are going to answer this letter, this "Major" diagnosis was put on my record 20 days after I had a brain scan:

Major Letter Red.jpg

I'm guessing it's with reference to the comment I made about the docs not telling Davy what was wrong with him, which is the bit I'm not sure about. To put more detail to that, I do know it wasn't a long time they held info off him only a few days maybe a week and then maybe to do more tests or figure a way to tell him or get a second opinion but I do know it wasn't a long time. What I was trying to illustrate was the fact that as soon as Davy knew he was back to his normal content sunny disposition, happy to welcome the end. He was a very nice man all his life and made everyone around him feel good to be in his presence. If I had half of his wisdom I'd be happy.

Yes things have changed, over here anyway. Now they'll tell you what's wrong ( if you can get seen by a doctor -- that's another thread ) but there's no longer any help to leave with dignity like Davy did.

They'll tend to keep you alive when you should've gone naturally long before ( like my father in law recently -- lived another 8 months with no quality of life and terrible agony -- costing the health service a fortune -- the paramedics who revived him missed the DNR tag around his neck, on his wrist and on his notes on the end of the bed)

[djnotts]

^ ".....the paramedics who revived him missed the DNR tag around his neck, on his wrist and on his notes on the end of the bed)"

One can have it tattooed on chest and they'll still "miss it". I've lodged DNR etc on Hospital records in respect of 2 lots of treatments, but still expect my wishes to be ignored. Resuscitation is a painful failure for many elderly patients but still it continues.

[axel_knutt]

Yes things have changed, over here anyway. Now they'll tell you what's wrong

I've just shown you that they don't, I'm still waiting for a reply to that letter nearly two years after the MRI scan.