Cugel wrote: ↑10 Aug 2024, 3:11pm
Biospace wrote: ↑9 Aug 2024, 6:17pm
For me, the thought of having to lug about a battery which weighs as much as an entire economical car once did is non-sensical. This extra mass is already having an effect on how motor cars are developing - their design grows lazier and lardier while regulatory bodies sit idly by, doubtless in the mistaken belief they're "Zero Emission vehicles"
You keep hooting this "e-cars are all huge SUVs" horn but they needn't be.
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You're making the same point I have done repeatedly. But yes, I am concerned with considerable rises in size, power and mass of battery cars.
Please note, as I've mentioned before, I've consistently argued for the benefits of battery electric power particularly in smaller vehicles and have been recommending them to people since shortly after the Nissan Leaf appeared, almost a decade and a half ago.
It's remarkable that in pointing out the realities, both good and less so and despite stating that in a few decades, these emissions problems will be greatly reduced if the world decarbonises its electricity Grids, that some have taken such offence. However, "
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!" rings in my ears - and Government is still describing these vehicles as "Zero Emission", with many using this to lose their guilt from car use.
Perhaps this loss of guilt will greatly help consumption, for the truth has been out too long now for the ICE to continue for too many?
Biospace wrote:
JerseyJoe wrote:
The elephant in the room as far as batteries go ... is the lifespan: 500 cycles and then it's goodbye battery stability and declining performance. Manufacturers say 10% per year after 500 cycles, I've worked in the electronics industry for 35 years man and boy, and I can say thats an 'optimistic' figure at best .
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I'm not saying Lithium batteries are crap but there's plenty new tech on the horizon, like Lithium Sulphur batteries which can go 800 cycles without any deteriorated condition, or Aluminium Ion batteries which are just around the corner promising much higher energy density/kg.
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Batteries are dirty (environmentally, and politically, the raw materials sourced in near slave trade conditions), expensive, not long on durability, hard to recycle and above all: a consumable. Like tyres or cassettes, only much, much more expensive.
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How crazy (ie bad for the planet) would it be to make 100 million BEVs with a technology which will be replaced with something considerably less dirty and better in the near future, because Governments have been lobbied and persuaded this is the right approach? I'm very positive about HMG standing in where business won't in order to benefit us all and just possibly to see our planet left in a marginally better state for those following, but such a revolutionary move has to be meticulously planned for it to work as intended.
