Be Part of the Change for Accessible and Safer Cycling Routes!

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adiba.kalaniya
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Be Part of the Change for Accessible and Safer Cycling Routes!

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🚴‍♂️ Attention, Alternative Cyclists! 🚴‍♀️

I'm looking for participants for my dissertation to help me design digital solutions to make bike routes safer and more accessible. If you're an adult and comfortable using a smartphone, join the study!

The project focuses on developing digital solutions for non-traditional cycle users.
  • Document a week of your cycling experiences.
  • Participate in an online discussion to share your insights.
It's simple, fun, and your feedback could make a real difference!

Interested? Click the link below to join the study:
https://cityunilondon.eu.qualtrics.com/ ... fWaZySJRLU

OR

Scan the QR code on the poster and be part of the change
https://cityuni-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/ ... w?e=RZSlK4

Let's pedal towards a safer future together! 🌟

Thank you!
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Welcome, and good luck with the study.

It's good practice when recruiting in this way to include a link to the research ethics approval and to say how long it will take participants and how they will be informed of the results.

Jonathan

PS: I used to teach in that module at City. : - )
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What are the long term prospects for this project. Or what is the "outcome" of your dissertation eg you passing your qualification, report to somebody (who?), system documenting safe cycle routes?. Great to "design digital solutions to make bike routes safer and more accessible" but online systems require ongoing data collection and maintenance and once your dissertation is finished what happens? Reports need to be sought by people who can do something.

ie when people spend their time helping you are they helping a long term development and facility to help non-traditional cycle users or just something for your dissertation?

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I don't need a digital solution - I just need enough space to actually navigate - and confidence that I won't end up somewhere I can't pass or turn around.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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You want me to give you my email address before telling me anything about anything. That's a non starter.
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That's what disposable addresses are for... the second page (no reason for it to be a second page) doesn't give you much more....
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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I fail to see how digitisation can help in this respect. What is needed is ' hard' real time solutions., and perhaps education of the motoring public.
If you are wanting to find out solutions , take yourself over to the Netherlands, to see it in real life action,the Dutch have it sussed, it's a whole encompassing design solution ,not a piece meal engineered approach.
I cannot give you the appropriate booklets provided in Dutch road engineering ,but the Dutch government or appropriate organisation, has published such stuff.
That's something you will need to dig out for yourself, but it isn't something that's emerged ,it's something that has been done by design. From road loops that identify bicycles that control crossings to the actual provided cycle paths, that are all on one level in towns and cities, cycle parking , secure cycle garages for example, the Dutch road system s prioritise cyclist everywhere, even to the extent of ripping up highways to provide greener options .
Going to the Netherlands will give you the answer, if you can't do that ,then there are You Tube channels about Dutch traffic calming and infrastructure, ' Not Just Bikes ' is one such channel, produced by a Canadian ,now living in Amsterdam.
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It should be pretty obvious that while perfectly accessible broad avenues are what we'd like they ain't going to be what we get at least in the short/medium term, and a mapping app that can filter out routes based on what any given rider can and can't do is potentially very useful.

I don't really see why it would be aimed at particular sorts of bike, mind. If I want to avoid, say, hills over 10% then whether I'm on a "normal" bike or not wouldn't be a factor, and while I might need a wide/even surface if I'm a slightly wobbly tricyclist I might well want one in any case.
Though having said that, "special" bikes would be a good source of finding out the limits of what an accessible route needs.

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pjclinch wrote: 20 Aug 2024, 8:59am It should be pretty obvious that while perfectly accessible broad avenues are what we'd like they ain't going to be what we get at least in the short/medium term, and a mapping app that can filter out routes based on what any given rider can and can't do is potentially very useful.
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Pete.
Such systems need ongoing maintenance. Money is required to pay for servers, people to address malicious attacks, software engineers to maintain (and enhance) software systems.

And that is needed long term, not just for the duration of writing a degree dissertation project.

What assurances are there that the requested effort from cyclists here will create anything beyond helping the requesting student get their qualification.

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Psamathe wrote: 20 Aug 2024, 9:42am
pjclinch wrote: 20 Aug 2024, 8:59am It should be pretty obvious that while perfectly accessible broad avenues are what we'd like they ain't going to be what we get at least in the short/medium term, and a mapping app that can filter out routes based on what any given rider can and can't do is potentially very useful.
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Such systems need ongoing maintenance. Money is required to pay for servers, people to address malicious attacks, software engineers to maintain (and enhance) software systems.

And that is needed long term, not just for the duration of writing a degree dissertation project.

What assurances are there that the requested effort from cyclists here will create anything beyond helping the requesting student get their qualification.
If all that comes out of it is they get their degree, are we really having a Big Problem with someone interested in making transport more accessible being let loose on the labour market?

As for ongoing maintenance and investment, when tranpsort ministers are coming out with this sort of thing then maybe there's hope for that...

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pjclinch wrote: 20 Aug 2024, 9:58am
Psamathe wrote: 20 Aug 2024, 9:42am
pjclinch wrote: 20 Aug 2024, 8:59am It should be pretty obvious that while perfectly accessible broad avenues are what we'd like they ain't going to be what we get at least in the short/medium term, and a mapping app that can filter out routes based on what any given rider can and can't do is potentially very useful.
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Such systems need ongoing maintenance. Money is required to pay for servers, people to address malicious attacks, software engineers to maintain (and enhance) software systems.

And that is needed long term, not just for the duration of writing a degree dissertation project.

What assurances are there that the requested effort from cyclists here will create anything beyond helping the requesting student get their qualification.
If all that comes out of it is they get their degree, are we really having a Big Problem with someone interested in making transport more accessible being let loose on the labour market?
...
Pete.
No trouble. Just people need to be aware of what the prospects are when deciding whether or not to spend their time contributing their time. And not a lot of information about this in the student's posts or site.

Ian
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It is a bit "moody" , in parlance of south London residents, butvthecOP may be genuine, if they are ,my apologies,.....but I do not see much outcome, especially in this cash strapped environment in Britain.
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Very disappointing to see all the negativity in various replies here especially when it's a person aiming to do something positive to help non-standard cyclists.
You might not have the time or inclination to help, fair enough. But If you want to slag a guy off, Elon Musk has a suitable platform for that.

I have been threatened by the moderator for using the pejorative term 'luddite' previously, so I won't say that, but tech is used by the majority of cyclists I know and it is here to stay. Yes, lets campaign and hope for infrastructure improvements to help us all but improved tech/navigation will probably come first but won't preclude the actual infra.
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There is a whole ethics section missing from the introduction to the research.

It's not about slagging off a person, but being aware about giving out personal information (and this research could get very personal) without a clear understanding of the way that information will be used and shared/protected.

There is also probably a disappointment that digital mapping is pretty much a solved problem.
In my opinion working out a few tags to add to OpenStreetMap data is probably the "best" way to deal with this kind of navigation question at the moment. There is an existing significant body of data, and a significant number of people already contributing to the mapping, and a well known and used API to use the data in custom applications (like http://cycle.travel).
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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skeltrike wrote: 21 Aug 2024, 10:26pm Very disappointing to see all the negativity in various replies here especially when it's a person aiming to do something positive to help non-standard cyclists.
You might not have the time or inclination to help, fair enough. But If you want to slag a guy off, Elon Musk has a suitable platform for that.

I have been threatened by the moderator for using the pejorative term 'luddite' previously, so I won't say that, but tech is used by the majority of cyclists I know and it is here to stay. Yes, lets campaign and hope for infrastructure improvements to help us all but improved tech/navigation will probably come first but won't preclude the actual infra.
To me the comments are more seeking some detail about exactly what is being proposed. If people are being asked to spend their time helping something it is fair to expect some detail about what is actually being done, what they will spend their time helping with. The posted request is very very short on information about the project.

But the OP student seems unprepared to provide any information - and that is a very valid concern.

Ian
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