National Transport Strategy

cycle tramp
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Jdsk wrote: 28 Aug 2024, 5:41pm "National Travel Survey: 2023":
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... urvey-2023

Guardian coverage:`
"People in England driving more, cycling less and walking further, survey shows":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... -transport

Jonathan
...except the survey may be flawed... the survey itself apparently works by selecting households at random and then sends them a diary to complete in a week(its late and I may have misread) which means the results might well be effected by both the weather and the time of year...

..looking a bit deeper some of the surveys are made at the road side, but that's no use if there's off road cycle path nearby which attracts cyclists away from the point the survey is being made..

..it is somewhat concerning that central government doesn't have a better way to measure this sort of data..
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I agree the survey method is flawed, but Ive been saying that for years, and no one cared when the survey showed increases in cycling/walking, so its hard to complain when it shows a reverse in the trend and ultimately it is what it is and if the results it shows are now down, then we just have to deal with the fallout from that.

and why should we be surprised anyway ? you can see with your eyes every journey by bike or walking, there are growing numbers of cars on the road now and a distinct lack of cyclists or walkers. It was interesting to see the impact a road closure had in our local area, that Id long suspected was used as rat run, even though its got cycle lanes, albeit could do with a repaint, but it utterly gridlocked the local area for hours at peak times, and youre thinking but how it cant be used that much can it ? and yet clearly it is, due to conveniance of access by car,and of course most of the people sat in those cars had travelled less than a mile anyway.

but councils are spending money and not delivering real change to cyclists or walking, and we'll just keep repeating this learned lesson,till someone actually grasps the nettle properly.
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awavey wrote: 29 Aug 2024, 12:25am I agree the survey method is flawed, but Ive been saying that for years, and no one cared when the survey showed increases in cycling/walking, so its hard to complain when it shows a reverse in the trend

and why should we be surprised anyway ? you can see with your eyes every journey by bike or walking, there are growing numbers of cars on the road now and a distinct lack of cyclists or walkers. It was interesting to see the impact a road closure had in our local area, that Id long suspected was used as rat run, even though its got cycle lanes, albeit could do with a repaint, but it utterly gridlocked the local area for hours at peak times, and youre thinking but how it cant be used that much can it ? and yet clearly it is, due to conveniance of access by car,and of course most of the people sat in those cars had travelled less than a mile anyway.
Personally, I think it depends when and where you were looking - this sunny Bank Holiday Monday, the lanes across the flats of Somerset were alive with cyclists.. I counted 4 or 5 groups, including an older couple on a pair of matching electric bikes....
Equally I've noticed more cycles being used in urban journeys in and around Bridgwater- since the completion of another housing estate.....

...I would have felt more secure in the data if the window of measurement had been for a month, that way the effects of bad weather could be slightly mitigated.

..and sadly I think its going to take more than more cycle facilities being built to see an increase in cyclists - we need a culture change. I cycle because my father did and so did his father.. however many now don't because even their grandfather went everywhere by car... whereas when I was a kid everyone asked Santa for a new bike, I wonder how many do now?
The secondary issue, is that like motorcycles, bikes are seen as leisure equipment. And I think that's a sad loss of functionality for such a useful tool with great environmental and social benefits.

...but much like a game of othello, minds can be changed. My bikes are used for fairly mundane journeys now - however since riding around, I've noticed one neighbour has started to cycle to the shops and back on a regular bases.

Simply being out and about on your bike, might encourage others to do so.... it did for Ann Mustoe, who cycled around the world.
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I'd say there are probably fewer cyclists on the roads here at peak hours, which might be down to the decline of commuting generally. ASLs still full though. Car numbers harder to judge, since you don't have the same concentration points.
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Jdsk wrote: 28 Aug 2024, 5:41pm "National Travel Survey: 2023":
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... urvey-2023

Guardian coverage:`
"People in England driving more, cycling less and walking further, survey shows":
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... -transport
From another thread:
How do they know the distances cyclists are riding?
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... efinitions
https://natcen.ac.uk/publications/natio ... vel-survey

Jonathan
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Campaign for Better Transport and others have written to the Chancellor recommending road pricing.
https://x.com/CBTransport/status/1830890278661615810

Can anyone find the letter?

Thanks

Jonathan
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Jdsk wrote: 3 Sep 2024, 11:19am Campaign for Better Transport and others have written to the Chancellor recommending road pricing.
https://x.com/CBTransport/status/1830890278661615810

Can anyone find the letter?
I've found a report from 2022, but not the letter:

"Pay-as-you-drive: The British public’s views on vehicle taxation reform":
https://bettertransport.org.uk/research/5110/

Jonathan
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cycle tramp wrote: 29 Aug 2024, 7:47am
awavey wrote: 29 Aug 2024, 12:25am I agree the survey method is flawed, but Ive been saying that for years, and no one cared when the survey showed increases in cycling/walking, so its hard to complain when it shows a reverse in the trend

and why should we be surprised anyway ? you can see with your eyes every journey by bike or walking, there are growing numbers of cars on the road now and a distinct lack of cyclists or walkers. It was interesting to see the impact a road closure had in our local area, that Id long suspected was used as rat run, even though its got cycle lanes, albeit could do with a repaint, but it utterly gridlocked the local area for hours at peak times, and youre thinking but how it cant be used that much can it ? and yet clearly it is, due to conveniance of access by car,and of course most of the people sat in those cars had travelled less than a mile anyway.
Personally, I think it depends when and where you were looking - this sunny Bank Holiday Monday, the lanes across the flats of Somerset were alive with cyclists.. I counted 4 or 5 groups, including an older couple on a pair of matching electric bikes....
Equally I've noticed more cycles being used in urban journeys in and around Bridgwater- since the completion of another housing estate.....

...I would have felt more secure in the data if the window of measurement had been for a month, that way the effects of bad weather could be slightly mitigated.

..and sadly I think its going to take more than more cycle facilities being built to see an increase in cyclists - we need a culture change. I cycle because my father did and so did his father.. however many now don't because even their grandfather went everywhere by car... whereas when I was a kid everyone asked Santa for a new bike, I wonder how many do now?
The secondary issue, is that like motorcycles, bikes are seen as leisure equipment. And I think that's a sad loss of functionality for such a useful tool with great environmental and social benefits.

...but much like a game of othello, minds can be changed. My bikes are used for fairly mundane journeys now - however since riding around, I've noticed one neighbour has started to cycle to the shops and back on a regular bases.

Simply being out and about on your bike, might encourage others to do so.... it did for Ann Mustoe, who cycled around the world.
I went out riding today for a ride around the Suffolk coastal lanes, nice weather, still warm, great tailwinds, and not too bad when it was a headwind actually, threat of rain tomorrow, youd think it would be packed. I think I saw 3 other cyclists in almost 3 hrs of riding, and thats not unusual now, commutes the same I might see a couple of cyclists per ride at best.

I remember rides I did during covid I was seeing so many riders on the road I thought I was on a sportive sometimes.

and certainly the way drivers treat me, makes me feel like Im the only cyclist theyve encountered,as most of them dont seem to have a clue what to do its either must get past now, or sit behind and make me feel reallly uncomfortable
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"More bus services could come under control of councils under planned law":
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvyev943v4o

Jonathan
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"More bus services could come under control of councils under planned law":
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvyev943v4o

Jonathan
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