CYCLING has saved the NHS £11,000

[re_cycler]

According to this a majority in the UK want to pay more for their food.I wonder if that's because they don't think they're eating junk food or they think the burden of the tax will fall on the producers and not increase the cost to the consumer ?

Majority in UK want new tax on makers of ultra-processed and junk food
https://www.theguardian.com/society/art ... es-obesity

[axel_knutt]

Taxing unhealthy food alone won't work, the revenue needs to be used to subsidise healthy food, and even then, it's still regressive.
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/38/5/1324/663823

[axel_knutt]

[And you'll find every dictionary has a different definition. Using the above a bag of lettuce leaves may be considered as junk food.
The definition needs to be clearer than that if there's a desire to legislate based on it.

Ofcom already has a ban on advertising junk foods, but it currently only applies to advertising on children's TV. The FSA Nutrient Profile Score is an objective numeric scale for grading the healthiness of foodstuffs that was devised at the time for the purpose of enforcement.

It seems that they're using a combination of the FSA Nutrient Profile Score, and a list of 13 categories, and it appears that a foodstuff has to fail both before it gets banned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3d33l53r9o

What the public think:
https://yougov.co.uk/health/articles/50 ... -junk-food

[briansnail]

Taxing unhealthy food alone won't work, the revenue needs to be used to subsidise healthy food, and even then, it's still regressive.

The problem is if we all give up Beer ,chocolate, cream cakes and all things nice.We will live to be 100.Cyclists 120.
THE NHS WOULD COLLAPSE.
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531

[Cowsham]

Taxing unhealthy food alone won't work, the revenue needs to be used to subsidise healthy food, and even then, it's still regressive.

The problem is if we all give up Beer ,chocolate, cream cakes and all things nice.We will live to be 100.Cyclists 120.
THE NHS WOULD COLLAPSE.
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531

We're not a customer base just a liability.

[Psamathe]

Taxing unhealthy food alone won't work, the revenue needs to be used to subsidise healthy food, and even then, it's still regressive.

The problem is if we all give up Beer ,chocolate, cream cakes and all things nice.We will live to be 100.Cyclists 120.
THE NHS WOULD COLLAPSE.
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531

You assume that older people will require more NHS treatment. On what basis? I'd have thought unfit unhealthy people are those making more demands on the NHS. Fit healthy people might live longer but I've not seen evidence they'll be making more demands on the NHS

eg a fit healthy person as they live longer might need care (visiting carer, maybe even care home) but that does not necessarily mean high NHS demands

Could you share the evidence of your assertion?

Ian

[Cowsham]

Taxing unhealthy food alone won't work, the revenue needs to be used to subsidise healthy food, and even then, it's still regressive.

The problem is if we all give up Beer ,chocolate, cream cakes and all things nice.We will live to be 100.Cyclists 120.
THE NHS WOULD COLLAPSE.
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531

You assume that older people will require more NHS treatment. On what basis? I'd have thought unfit unhealthy people are those making more demands on the NHS. Fit healthy people might live longer but I've not seen evidence they'll be making more demands on the NHS

eg a fit healthy person as they live longer might need care (visiting carer, maybe even care home) but that does not necessarily mean high NHS demands

Could you share the evidence of your assertion?

Ian

Just my experience -- but when I was in hospital for 8 days after the bad off in 2021 my Ward was all very old men except one young fella

( there was an woman's Ward as well -- all old -- I only know they were all old cos we had a covid scare on the wards -- we were all wheeled around like musical hospital beds for a couple of days till they got the wards cleaned )

Hospitals are bunged up with old people -- some in the Ward I was in were on their last few days of life. A very depressing place -- ( will never forget the smell too -- much respect for the poor nurses that deal with that day in day out )

[Bonefishblues]

The ONS recently published Healthy Life Expectancy stats for the UK which makes for interesting reading:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... %20females).

[Jdsk]

The problem is if we all give up Beer ,chocolate, cream cakes and all things nice.We will live to be 100.Cyclists 120.
THE NHS WOULD COLLAPSE.
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531

You assume that older people will require more NHS treatment. On what basis? I'd have thought unfit unhealthy people are those making more demands on the NHS. Fit healthy people might live longer but I've not seen evidence they'll be making more demands on the NHS

eg a fit healthy person as they live longer might need care (visiting carer, maybe even care home) but that does not necessarily mean high NHS demands

Could you share the evidence of your assertion?

Just my experience -- but when I was in hospital for 8 days after the bad off in 2021 my Ward was all very old men except one young fella

( there was an woman's Ward as well -- all old -- I only know they were all old cos we had a covid scare on the wards -- we were all wheeled around like musical hospital beds for a couple of days till they got the wards cleaned )

Hospitals are bunged up with old people -- some in the Ward I was in were on their last few days of life. A very depressing place -- ( will never forget the smell too -- much respect for the poor nurses that deal with that day in day out )

In general babies, children and women giving birth would be in wards other than yours.

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

The ONS recently published Healthy Life Expectancy stats for the UK which makes for interesting reading:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... %20females).

Yes. It's a lot harder to collect these data than those for raw expectancy. But they are often what people would like to see in order to understand what's happening. And they are now available for many rich countries, including all of the EU.

Jonathan

[Bonefishblues]

The ONS recently published Healthy Life Expectancy stats for the UK which makes for interesting reading:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... %20females).

Yes. It's a lot harder to collect these data than those for raw expectancy. But they are often what people would like to see in order to understand what's happening. And they are now available for many rich countries, including all of the EU.

Jonathan

The numbers surprised me, I confess - how low the ages were, that is.

[Psamathe]

The problem is if we all give up Beer ,chocolate, cream cakes and all things nice.We will live to be 100.Cyclists 120.
THE NHS WOULD COLLAPSE.
********************
I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531

You assume that older people will require more NHS treatment. On what basis? I'd have thought unfit unhealthy people are those making more demands on the NHS. Fit healthy people might live longer but I've not seen evidence they'll be making more demands on the NHS

eg a fit healthy person as they live longer might need care (visiting carer, maybe even care home) but that does not necessarily mean high NHS demands

Could you share the evidence of your assertion?

Ian

Just my experience -- but when I was in hospital for 8 days after the bad off in 2021 my Ward was all very old men except one young fella

( there was an woman's Ward as well -- all old -- I only know they were all old cos we had a covid scare on the wards -- we were all wheeled around like musical hospital beds for a couple of days till they got the wards cleaned )

Hospitals are bunged up with old people -- some in the Ward I was in were on their last few days of life. A very depressing place -- ( will never forget the smell too -- much respect for the poor nurses that deal with that day in day out )

But does any of that mean that longer life is going to cause the NHS to collapse. My understanding is that a lot of the issues with older people taking NHS beds is related to inadequate social care meaning they are healthy enough to be discharged but they can't be because of inadequate care availability.

Similarly it is possible that for each elderly person in the same ward as you there were 1000+ out doing park walks, etc. living healthy lives or even at home with care or in care homes and not "causing the NHS to collapse".

Ian

[Jdsk]

...
But does any of that mean that longer life is going to cause the NHS to collapse. My understanding is that a lot of the issues with older people taking NHS beds is related to inadequate social care meaning they are healthy enough to be discharged but they can't be because of inadequate care availability.

Yes, discharge to more appropriate care would release NHS resources. And the numbers are very large.

And then someone would have decide what to do with that avoided expenditure... use the resources for other inpatient care, use them for some other type of care, use them for prevention, reduce taxes...

Jonathan

[Cowsham]

You assume that older people will require more NHS treatment. On what basis? I'd have thought unfit unhealthy people are those making more demands on the NHS. Fit healthy people might live longer but I've not seen evidence they'll be making more demands on the NHS

eg a fit healthy person as they live longer might need care (visiting carer, maybe even care home) but that does not necessarily mean high NHS demands

Could you share the evidence of your assertion?

Ian

Just my experience -- but when I was in hospital for 8 days after the bad off in 2021 my Ward was all very old men except one young fella

( there was an woman's Ward as well -- all old -- I only know they were all old cos we had a covid scare on the wards -- we were all wheeled around like musical hospital beds for a couple of days till they got the wards cleaned )

Hospitals are bunged up with old people -- some in the Ward I was in were on their last few days of life. A very depressing place -- ( will never forget the smell too -- much respect for the poor nurses that deal with that day in day out )

But does any of that mean that longer life is going to cause the NHS to collapse. My understanding is that a lot of the issues with older people taking NHS beds is related to inadequate social care meaning they are healthy enough to be discharged but they can't be because of inadequate care availability.

Similarly it is possible that for each elderly person in the same ward as you there were 1000+ out doing park walks, etc. living healthy lives or even at home with care or in care homes and not "causing the NHS to collapse".

Ian

Don't think social care could've done what was needed for these chaps -- for me it made a good case for assisted dying. Every 5 min one would need hoisted up in the crane sling thingy -- a team cleaned him up while the other set about changing the bed or wheeling a new bed underneath. Blood sweat and ++++! ... not to mention all the meds they had to administer -- injections -- blood samples -- dressings -- hellish !