Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Why righthand bottle dynamos?

Why not pick a side and stick with it....?

Are they only rare in the UK?
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Are there some words missing in your title? Or maybe in your post? Did you mean to ask "Why so few righthand bottle dynamos?" Or maybe "they" in the last sentence doesn't refer to r/h bottle dynamos? It doesn't really make sense as it's written.
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Regardless of which side you're asking about, dynamos generate a/c. Are they actually handed? Their brackets might well be, but I'm not sure about the generators themselves. It's over 30 years since I had a bottle dynamo; AFAIR it was behind the left fork blade, but it could probably have gone ahead of the right blade.
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Bottle dynamos were either left or right handed as the front lamp was often mounted off a boss on the dynamo. Depending on wether you were in the UK or Europe the dynamo was mounted on the left or right fork so it was more visible to approaching traffic and gave rise to left or right handed spring arrangements to engage the bottle on the front tyre. :wink:
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Ah, mine had the lamp separate from the dynamo, on a fork-crown mounting. I'm not aware of having seen any with the light mounted on the same bracket.
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Lucifer were the models that riders lusted after. The front lamp attached to the bottle. This one is a RH mounting for UK use.
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Bmblbzzz wrote: 10 Oct 2024, 9:17pm Are there some words missing in your title? Or maybe in your post? Did you mean to ask "Why so few righthand bottle dynamos?" Or maybe "they" in the last sentence doesn't refer to r/h bottle dynamos? It doesn't really make sense as it's written.
I meant why bother making righthand dynamos as well as (in uk?) more common left hand ones. Ie simpler for manufacturers to have only one type to make...
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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rjb wrote: 10 Oct 2024, 10:26pm Lucifer were the models that riders lusted after. The front lamp attached to the bottle. This one is a RH mounting for UK use.
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Interesting that lampdyno combos were rh for uk
(Adding the weight of a lamp to a dyno front bracket seems asking for trouble imho).
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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There would be other markets for these r/h brackets: JP, AU, NZ, ZA, IE, ID, IN, PK, KE, CY, JA...
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Bmblbzzz wrote: 10 Oct 2024, 9:55pm Ah, mine had the lamp separate from the dynamo, on a fork-crown mounting. I'm not aware of having seen any with the light mounted on the same bracket.
Mine are both Axa RHS seat stay mount dynamos. They've sat in a box in the garage for > 20yrs so I guess that tells you how much I miss the draggy tyre munchers! The dynamo bracket also carried the rear light on a bracket. As mentioned by rjb in the UK the rear mount dynamo is a RHS model so as to minimise the bike stucture obscuring the rear light to vehicles coming behind.
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Cyclothesist wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 10:09am
Bmblbzzz wrote: 10 Oct 2024, 9:55pm Ah, mine had the lamp separate from the dynamo, on a fork-crown mounting. I'm not aware of having seen any with the light mounted on the same bracket.
Mine are both Axa RHS seat stay mount dynamos. They've sat in a box in the garage for > 20yrs so I guess that tells you how much I miss the draggy tyre munchers! The dynamo bracket also carried the rear light on a bracket. As mentioned by rjb in the UK the rear mount dynamo is a RHS model so as to minimise the bike stucture obscuring the rear light to vehicles coming behind.
Those Axa's will probably be LH versions. :wink: bracket on the right chain stay and dynamo pointing rearwards with the rear light.
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Some UK framebuilders put the dynamo bracket on the front of the fork/stay. So that's another reason you might want a RH dynamo.

Hub dynamos are now so good and cheap that this is getting quite academic!
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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rogerzilla wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:23am Some UK framebuilders put the dynamo bracket on the front of the fork/stay. So that's another reason you might want a RH dynamo.

Hub dynamos are now so good and cheap that this is getting quite academic!
I think that putting the bottle in front of the stay or fork it is fitted to is best practice. A rear facing dynamo may get disastrously entangled with the spokes in some failure conditions, whereas a front facing one will likely get deflected outwards.
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Re: Why righthand bottle dynamos?

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Leading dynamos are less prone to slippage than following ones. Hence why most brazed on brackets on the rear right seatstay point backwards.
Old Moulton's with the brazed on brackets on the rear left chainstay need a Rh version too.
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