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[cycle tramp]

4 replies and not one about the suicide rate in farming, nor the industrial accidents figures

You posted three irrelevant things, and now you're complaining that only one of them has been addressed?

Construction has a high accident rate. Should construction companies be free from IHT?

....I've been on this forum quite sometime.. I think the amount of irrelevant things u've posted should be well over 100

[pete75]

I like that dream, but what we actually have is closer to the opposite. Being honest and candid is a weakness that will be exploited by the other side.

To illustrate that, look at the run-up to the last General Election. For a couple of years leading up to it economic analysts had been telling anyone who would listen that at successive budgets Tory Chancellors were papering over the cracks and leaving an economic shortfall for whichever administration came along after. Then, to get elected, the Tories had to pretend this wasn't the case, and Labour had to deny they were going to fix it by increasing taxation. Both knew the public were not going to vote for a bitter pill. Honesty would have been fatal for either side.

The Tories knew they were going to lose. That being the case they left the economy an dpublic services in the worst state they dared, knowing Labour would have to introduce unpopular measures to fix things.
Reeves is even being attacked for removing a couple of Tory measures to enable wealthy people to avoid IHT. No limit on the amount of taxpayer aided money put into a private pension and no IHT, not even any income tax if the holder dies before the age of 75. No IHT on farmland - why do you think Britain's Elon Musk, James Dyson, has bought so much land.

However the removal of exemption of Farm land from inheritance tax, is now threatening those small farms which may be handed down from generation to generation. The nfu is rightly upset about this and Starmer like so many Westminster elite believes that food just magically appears on the shelves- even Moseley of the black shirts had enough intelligence to release that it was a good thing to protect and nurture the one thing that we all need.

For those of us who enjoy the unique place that farming occupies within the British countryside, there is currently a petition running to re-apply the exemption https://www.nfuonline.com/updates-and-i ... -reversed/ For those that don't, enjoy the countryside while it lasts as Labour as it was under Blair seems hell bent on concreting it over.

There was IHT on farmalnd until the mid 1980's which didn't seem to have an effect on family farms - there were more then than there are now. The irony is that many farmers only own land because of death duties. Time was when most farmers rented from the aristocracy and landed gentry. Heavy death duties in the 1920's,30's 40's , 50's and 60's forced the estates to sell off land and it was more often than not bought by the existing tenants.

The taxpayer funded susbsidies farmers have received over the years will likely have more than made up for any IHT to be paid on farmland.

[roubaixtuesday]

4 replies and not one about the suicide rate in farming, nor the industrial accidents figures

You posted three irrelevant things, and now you're complaining that only one of them has been addressed?

Construction has a high accident rate. Should construction companies be free from IHT?

....I've been on this forum quite sometime.. I think the amount of irrelevant things u've posted should be well over 100

If you keep it up at the current rate, you'll beat that in just this thread

[al_yrpal]

Just waded through details of the Cabinet.

Only one has ever done a proper job, Mrs Rayner

Not one has started or ever run a business

Mostly just a bunch of lawyers and policy wonks.

No wonder they appear so out of touch

Chairman Mao would have had the lot of them out digging ditches.

As for the farmers, I'm hoping they take their muck spreaders

Al

[roubaixtuesday]

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As for the farmers, I'm hoping they take their muck spreaders

Al

And in sure you'd support the same sentences the just stop oil brigade got for their disruption.

[toontra]

4 replies and not one about the suicide rate in farming, nor the industrial accidents figures

Honestly - you're doing yourself no favours by bringing suicide rates into this.

As a long-time Samaritan on the end of the phone line I'd like to think I have a fairly good idea of current theories on causality. We have regular training focusing on at-risk groups.

Plucking figures out to substantiate a certain argument is fraught with risk. In the case of farmers, for instance, there are a multitude of possible risk factors. I'd hazard a guess at social/physical isolation being fairly high up the list and IHT fairly low, but that's my best guess.

[Nearholmer]

From the HoC briefing paper:

[cycle tramp]

4 replies and not one about the suicide rate in farming, nor the industrial accidents figures

Honestly - you're doing yourself no favours by bringing suicide rates into this.

As a long-time Samaritan on the end of the phone line I'd like to think I have a fairly good idea of current theories on causality. We have regular training focusing on at-risk groups.

I don't think so, financial concerns is a stress riser amongst those considering suicide.. fair play for being a Samaritan - can I ask if the 'Brenda line' is still a thing, with the organisation?

The thing about people who are really contemplating suicide is that some won't give any clues to their intentions.

[pete75]

4 replies and not one about the suicide rate in farming, nor the industrial accidents figures

Honestly - you're doing yourself no favours by bringing suicide rates into this.

As a long-time Samaritan on the end of the phone line I'd like to think I have a fairly good idea of current theories on causality. We have regular training focusing on at-risk groups.

I don't think so, financial concerns is a stress riser amongst those considering suicide.. fair play for being a Samaritan - can I ask if the 'Brenda line' is still a thing, with the organisation?

The thing about people who are really contemplating suicide is that some won't give any clues to their intentions.

You might care to look at the figures here. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... istrations

[Jdsk]

NIESR: "The Effects of Higher US Tariffs":
https://www.niesr.ac.uk/publications/ef ... -870591852

"Trump tariffs would halve UK growth and push up prices, says thinktank":
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tank-warns

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

And the OBR have just said that they didn't know about the spending position either:
https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Letter- ... limits.pdf
The document published today by HM Treasury entitled "Fixing the foundations: Public spending audit 2024-25" identifies £21.9 billion in net pressures on the DEL budgets set by the Treasury for the current financial year 2024-25. We were made aware of the extent of these pressures at a meeting with the Treasury last week.

So the OBR didn't know and the IFS didn't know. It's not surprising that the new Chancellor didn't know.

Further IFS comment on unrealistic estimates by the previous government:
"Home Office budgeting and asylum overspends":
https://ifs.org.uk/articles/home-office ... overspends

And the previous Chancellor has just published a letter from the Cabinet Secretary. This looks more like a frantic reputation by Hunt to salvage his reputation than a discussion of constitutional proprieties.

And the head of the OBR has suggested that the Treasury may have broken the law!
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... n-mps-told

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

Just waded through details of the Cabinet.

Only one has ever done a proper job, Mrs Rayner

Not one has started or ever run a business
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Is teaching a "proper job"?

At least one has started a business.

And there have been a few occasions in my life when I've been very grateful for help from lawyers.

Jonathan

[axel_knutt]

I have a fairly good idea of current theories on causality.

I'd say being in a situation there's no escape from, and being gaslit when you seek help would be fairly high on the list. Being told to make a cup of tea or have a warm bath when in a crisis might be near the top too.

The thing about people who are really contemplating suicide is that some won't give any clues to their intentions.

Being persistently told that you need to talk, then finding nobody want's to listen might have something to do with that, as might having your confidence betrayed.

You might care to look at the figures here. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... istrations

Wrong dataset:

"Numbers of deaths cannot be used to ascertain the risk of suicide among occupations. Differences in numbers of deaths may merely reflect the underlying population structure as opposed to differences in risk."

The the correct data is suicide risk by occupation, not suicide numbers.

Looks like Prof Michael Marmot was correct all along: occupations with low status and/or little control.

[al_yrpal]

Kemi highlighted the Dud's lack of judgement appointing a twerp like Lammy as our top diplomat. And, an unforgivable lack of judgement by sending dozens of aparatchics to work for Trumps opponents, the Democrats. Trump won't forget...

What we need is the exact opposite of Reeve's stupid growth killer budget.

Theres a saying about teachers...

Al

[Biospace]

Just waded through details of the Cabinet.
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As for the farmers, I'm hoping they take their muck spreaders

Al

A little more digging is good for us all - the Cabinet may have found the holes which undermine some of their policies

More intelligent lawyers are usually great company, but you can have too much of a good thing, like anything else. A Cabinet with broader life experiences would be good, but this doesn't apply only to the modern Labour Party.

An inspired teacher has lifelong positive effects on their pupils, a poor one can do lasting damage. It sounds like you've experienced the latter.