Replacement for my Tera Nova Voyager

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Re: Replacement for my Tera Nova Voyager

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Rob D wrote: 20 Oct 2024, 10:04pm It's certainly hard to pick out! But you'd definitely not see the Nallo 2 in (2016) sand, it is pretty well exactly that colour. At Loch Coruisk 3 years ago, I'd begun to think someone had nicked ours. On our return to the tent, we knew exactly where it was but oh boy, it was hard to spot! Had to get bins out to establish that it really was there. So too at Loch Etchachan one autumn.
Having been a "green tent type" for years because they blend in I decided bright wasn't so bad when I found how hard it was to spot the Tarra from offshore even when I knew where it was. But I suspect it may be quite handy to do the terminal guidance from within 100m for something bright if it's a bit foggy, for example.
On a recent trip we stopped for some lunch by a loch with a stand of trees and I went down to the water to get a kettle full of water. I was quite surprised to find a bright blue family-sized frame tent down at the shore, completely invisible from just a few tens of meters away thanks to careful siting, so any degree of cover can obscure even large and bright tents very effectively.

But ultimately we know from experience that people use both, find their way back to "blending in" tents and don't get views significantly ruined by bright ones so I'd just go by preference. I bought my first red tent because it was in the bargain bin and that's also why we got our Bach Guam which is dark green, and while I prefer red these days the green is fine in practice.

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In terms of how the tent feels inside, the inner colour is going to have a big effect too.
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Ok another quick update. I had pretty much made my mind up and was going to purchase a Hilleberg Allak 2, I was however a little concerned about a few things with this tent...
1. The pack size seemed fairly large to me.
2. It was heavier than I really wanted.
3. The price!
3. Ultralight Outdoors only had one in Red and I really wanted to purchase from them, I loved the red when inside the tent, but was concerned that it might be a bit much in many of the places I tend to camp.

I was on holiday in Northumberland last week and was travelling back to Yorkshire on Saturday. I had yet another look at the Ultralight website and noticed that they now had the Terra Nova Vault Duo in stock (this was on my original shortlist but was out of stock at the time of my first visit). So I gave them a call and arranged to have a look at the Vault and compare it side by side with the Allak 2.

In many ways the Vault is sort of part way between the Rogen and the Allak, it is fully freestanding with 3 full length poles (like the Allak), but has the poles running through sleeves (like the Rogen). Ventilation is similar to the Allak in that there are vents under the top cap (though these do not have the option of zipping them up) and the Fly is close to the ground. Like the Allak the inner has (large) doors that have a solid fabric that can be unzipped to reveal a mesh door. Weight wise the Allak is 3076g, the Rogen 1834g the Vault is 2882g (actual weights of tents taken by the shop). Interior height of the Vault is very similar to Allak (which is a little higher than the Rogen). The inner of the Vault is slightly smaller than that of both Hilleberg tents (though I'd say the height is maintained over a larger part of the tent). The pack size of the Vault is considerably smaller than the Allak 36x20cm v 51x18cm and after a few experiments in the shop with trying different packing methods for both I'd say it may be even more than that. Finally the price, when originally launched the Vault was £950, but it seems that the "street price" has dropped a fair bit and after some calls to Terra Nova Ultralight where able to offer me one at less than half the price of the Allak 2. So long story, not very short I've ordered a Terra Nova Vault and am now waiting for it to be delivered.

I still have a slight desire to own a Hilleberg as I've seen so many good things about them, but really I think the Vault is a better fit for my needs and given the amount of use I am likely to get from the tent (Not sure how many more years I will want to crawling into one!), I could not really justify the higher cost.

Many thanks to everyone for your suggestions and help. If anyone is looking for a tent (or other camping/outdoor equipment), have a look at Ultralight Outdoors, they have been incredibly helpful (and patient) with this process and the staff all seem to be keen outdoors people.
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Good outcome. Hope you have many happy camping nights and days in the Vault.
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gloomyandy wrote: 29 Oct 2024, 9:42am I've ordered a Terra Nova Vault and am now waiting for it to be delivered.
A well considered choice. I've only seen the Vault on paper, but it did look like a good alternative to the Allak. Hope you have many happy nights in it.
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gloomyandy wrote: 29 Oct 2024, 9:42am I still have a slight desire to own a Hilleberg as I've seen so many good things about them, but really I think the Vault is a better fit for my needs and given the amount of use I am likely to get from the tent (Not sure how many more years I will want to crawling into one!), I could not really justify the higher cost.

Many thanks to everyone for your suggestions and help. If anyone is looking for a tent (or other camping/outdoor equipment), have a look at Ultralight Outdoors, they have been incredibly helpful (and patient) with this process and the staff all seem to be keen outdoors people.
Even as a committed Hille fan I couldn't really justify the cost of a Rogen when ULO had the Bach available at less than half the price which ticked enough of our boxes. I concur that ULO are very helpful folk to deal with, entirely online in our case.

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Not sure that this demands a new topic, so adding it here, as the most recent related tenty thread.
The following tent is (kind of) available now
https://durstongear.com/products/x-dome ... cking-tent
Its designer has had great success with hiking pole tents, and this is his first foray into standalone pole based shelters.
It's light and roomy, if I was planning to do a lot of camping I'd certainly be looking hard at it. Thought I'd post it, as it's a slightly niche company and not perhaps on the radar of someone trying to replace a Terranova.
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The x-dome is currently sold out until next April it seems. It looks like an interesting tent, though personally I'm not 100% sure about the tent floor material which seems a little thin to me.
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The price £293 seems a bargain. Until you realize you have to add shipping, then handling, then VAT and import taxes. It will probably end up nearer £400.
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Rob D wrote: 20 Oct 2024, 7:58pm Re tent colour. I have Hillys in green and sand. Love the latter, blends in incredibly well, but I believe the colour is now darker?

As a rule, I far prefer my clothing and tents to blend in, sometimes because I'm not meant to be there, sometimes because there's a potential security risk (such as where we'll be for the next 6 weeks in the Balkans).
Re colour, 2 nights ago, about 30 km north of Athens, we struggled to find somewhere to camp. Eventually found some rough ground just inside the entrance to a tip. The gate was unlocked (but we ensured there was an escape route if locked later), no-one around. We put up the tent quite close to the entrance. At early dusk, a lorry left, locking the gate, didn't see us. In the morning, he returned, still didn't see us. Came in and locked the gate behind him.

Had he spotted us in the evening - and told us to leave - we'd have had quite a problem finding anywhere else. Athens extends a long way out! As it was, the vegetation was almost exactly the same colour as the tent. With the bikes laid down, we were well concealed.

Another related issue: we've been warned about baddies around (from other countries) who'd think nothing of sticking a knife in you for a few euros. So for us, it really does help being hard to spot.
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Bmblbzzz wrote: 14 Nov 2024, 11:36am The price £293 seems a bargain. Until you realize you have to add shipping, then handling, then VAT and import taxes. It will probably end up nearer £400.
On the one hand, yes, but on the other a Hille Enan is double that...
gloomyandy wrote: 14 Nov 2024, 11:23am The x-dome is currently sold out until next April it seems. It looks like an interesting tent, though personally I'm not 100% sure about the tent floor material which seems a little thin to me.
Very thin floors seem to be the usual way of it these days, because it gets the magic headline weight down. I do prefer something chunkier myself, one of the reason I like Hilleberg is their idea of compromise points on weight/toughness tends to align with mine (I prefer proven DAC alloy poles to some unknown carbon fibre too).

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Yes, Hillebergs cost a lot.
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gloomyandy wrote: 14 Nov 2024, 11:23am The x-dome is currently sold out until next April it seems. It looks like an interesting tent, though personally I'm not 100% sure about the tent floor material which seems a little thin to me.
Yep, that's what I meant by "kind of" available.
I don't think April availability is a problem, as I'd probably not camp before next May anyway.
For me (I'm just over 6ft), the height is a real selling point. Also (I can't help myself) the low weight. And standalone.
The gross price and the fact that I have a less good but perfectly usable shelter precludes a purchase :-(
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