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And both will be completely disabled and have the brains gutted and just run as a bloody fridge.
I'm not scanning things in and out of the fridge every time I open the door, and I tend to put in piles of stacking tupperware, so good luck with anything to scan anyway.

Besides that who's going to load the fresh produce into the fridge when it's delivered whilst I'm out...
Same problem with smart dishwashers, washing machines etc... they still need loading.

A humidity sensor on a tumble drier makes sense, but that doesn't need AI, it just needs a dial to say "how dry do you want this".
A load sensor on the washing machine makes sense, dispense a sane quantity of detergent based on the amount of laundry being done.
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Yes, the “smart fridge” example is often cited, but I too find it about as compelling as a bowl of cold porridge.

TBH, I can’t think of a single example of a domestic application that merits anything tgat might be called AI, although multi-sensor, multi-actuator, fairly complex algorithm systems are sort-of useful for things like “environmental control”.

AI is more about things with huge datasets that have to be crawled-through and analysed.
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And a mapping robot vacuum has merits, doesn't need any AI though..
Might be useful to try and detect "spreadable" mess to avoid brushing it into the carpet, and all over the room
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There’s a meme does the rounds on social
Media which I agree with, which says that AI ought to do the ironing, and leave the creative stuff, like writing books, to people.
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What's this "ironing" you speak of?
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PDQ Mobile wrote: 22 Jan 2025, 10:03pm My neighbour has been having some hospital appointments.
He attended the latest on Monday, appointment letter in hand, and had received a txt message reminder, only to he told it was a mix up and he shouldn't be there.
It's a 60 mile round trip.

And it's a computerised system!
It's enough to undermine one's faith in it all.
These systems are only as good as those designing them and those operating them - and are too often even less good.

The more we hand over to computers, inappropriately, the lazier and less efficient the human brain grows. At times, they're an added level of excuse for the ineffective and fault-prone to hide behind.
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What's this "ironing" you speak of?
These days, it’s some wrinkled clothes that my OH and daughter hope I’ll make smooth for them while they’re out.
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Nearholmer wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 3:03pm
What's this "ironing" you speak of?
These days, it’s some wrinkled clothes that my OH and daughter hope I’ll make smooth for them while they’re out.
But they'll just be wrinkled again by the time the wearer has sat down.

I never did "get" ironing, and with non iron shirts for the very rare occasions when I need a suit...
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Nearholmer wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 12:23pm Yes, the “smart fridge” example is often cited, but I too find it about as compelling as a bowl of cold porridge.

TBH, I can’t think of a single example of a domestic application that merits anything tgat might be called AI, although multi-sensor, multi-actuator, fairly complex algorithm systems are sort-of useful for things like “environmental control”.
I think in a domestic situation a fridge with A.i in most cases is over the top - however in the catering industry and perhaps hospital kitchens, it might be of benefit...

As the population ages and with more people living alone.. perhaps the next step for A.i is to summon help, should the resident be left in a position where they can not do it for themselves
Dedicated to anyone who has reached that stage https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqbk9cDX0l0 (please note may include humorous swearing)
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cycle tramp wrote: 25 Jan 2025, 9:14am
Nearholmer wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 12:23pm Yes, the “smart fridge” example is often cited, but I too find it about as compelling as a bowl of cold porridge.

TBH, I can’t think of a single example of a domestic application that merits anything tgat might be called AI, although multi-sensor, multi-actuator, fairly complex algorithm systems are sort-of useful for things like “environmental control”.
I think in a domestic situation a fridge with A.i in most cases is over the top - however in the catering industry and perhaps hospital kitchens, it might be of benefit...

As the population ages and with more people living alone.. perhaps the next step for A.i is to summon help, should the resident be left in a position where they can not do it for themselves
So a motion sensor in the hall, with a timer based on time of day.
Or a pendant that detects falls, and allows the user to cancel a call if appropriate...
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Will it be clever enough to put you on hold for 45 minutes, while playing the most annoying muzak imaginable, while talking to you every 30 seconds making you initially think your call got answered to be told you have to carry on waiting?

If not then they haven't got it up to speed yet. :lol:
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I can’t recall who I phoned earlier this week, but was out on hold … and it was silence.

So, so, nice.
Slightly surprised they didn’t have periodic beeps just to let you know the line was open, but with modern phones - that’s not really an issue anyway.
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I want a fridge that is cold (!) and that uses as little leccy as possible, so fridge (b) is out!!

I will choose what to put in my fridge myself.
And I will decide where and when to eat it.
I certainly don't want the contents of my fridge on my medical records.
If by chance something goes bad I will compost it and it will grow more fresh food and improve the soil.
Fridge b is a futuristic nightmare, of which I want no part.
....

I just tried to book a car park!
I fill in all the details correctly but the final payment screen now says my bank requires an additional level of security.
It's not very big money.
I do not know how to do this, so I am frustrated until I get to my bank on Monday. Luckily still have one!!

It is another symptom of the fear of digital fraud that has become ever greater.
It costs us all, this chasing to keep up.
Money and nerves.

In 2022 nearly half the recorded crime in the UK was fraud or computer misuse offence (4.4 million out of total of 9 million offences).

I for one wish for a more straightforward system.
And i for one would like to see us as society step back from ever more dependence on AI.
Get some simple potholes fixed and helpline telephones answered more quickly by employing more staff and less dependence on "clever" computer systems with their attendant ever higher cost.


.....
I see the Norwegian football "association" is likely to ban VAR!
Considered unreliable.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -club-vote
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PDQ Mobile wrote: 25 Jan 2025, 9:13pm
I just tried to book a car park!
I fill in all the details correctly but the final payment screen now says my bank requires an additional level of security.
It's not very big money.
I do not know how to do this, so I am frustrated until I get to my bank on Monday. Luckily still have one!!
So your bank will either send you a code by text, that you have to type into the payment screen, or you may have an app on your phone to active, or they'll send you a code by email that you'll have to type in...

Being personally frustrated with technology doesn't autonatically devalue its function or merit.
Dedicated to anyone who has reached that stage https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqbk9cDX0l0 (please note may include humorous swearing)
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cycle tramp wrote: 25 Jan 2025, 10:12pm
PDQ Mobile wrote: 25 Jan 2025, 9:13pm
I just tried to book a car park!
I fill in all the details correctly but the final payment screen now says my bank requires an additional level of security.
It's not very big money.
I do not know how to do this, so I am frustrated until I get to my bank on Monday. Luckily still have one!!
So your bank will either send you a code by text, that you have to type into the payment screen, or you may have an app on your phone to active, or they'll send you a code by email that you'll have to type in...

Being personally frustrated with technology doesn't autonatically devalue its function or merit.
Yes it does.
It should be simple and hassle free.
And hopefully lack risk.
None of these apply any more.
I just want to pay for a service.
The whole time consuming filling in of all the stuff and then being unable to complete is a waste of mostly my time.

I really don't need or want it.
And I certainly don't want a banking "app" or internet banking.
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