Would you buy a Tesla

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Zulu Eleven wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 7:19pm
pwa wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 4:36pm We all know how Volkswagen started. And there was WW2, Germany lost, and as part of efforts to rebuild Germany the Western Allies revived VW and other companies. But the dodgy origin of VW was left behind. Hitler was dead.
But the old ways did, in fact, continue

https://www.reuters.com/article/busines ... L6N0KO3GH/

https://www.ecchr.eu/en/press-release/d ... ngereicht/
Well the sourcing of goods from dubious parts of the world is indeed an issue that ought to guide our purchasing choices. Most companies have stated policies that we need to hold them to. But I think if it turned out that a manufacturer was campaigning for Tommy Robinson (as he calls himself) I would cease buying from them entirely. How can I oppose Far Right extremism if I am helping to pay for it? The saying that comes to mind is "Put your money where your mouth is".
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Many of the types of people who buy electric cars are likely to detest Musk's views and pronoucements. The sort of people who like what he says have electric cars in their standard list of hates, which also includes cyclists.
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pete75 wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 8:49pm Many of the types of people who buy electric cars are likely to detest Musk's views and pronoucements. .........
But I'm not convinced that that will affect their consumer choices, if the product and the price are "right".
Look at the number of upper middle classes who profess to worry about "the environment" yet have 2 SUVs and insist their 17 y.o.'s need a car to go sixth form.
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djnotts wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 9:50pm
pete75 wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 8:49pm Many of the types of people who buy electric cars are likely to detest Musk's views and pronoucements. .........
But I'm not convinced that that will affect their consumer choices, if the product and the price are "right".
Look at the number of upper middle classes who profess to worry about "the environment" yet have 2 SUVs and insist their 17 y.o.'s need a car to go sixth form.
Yeah but they're not the sort by buying electric cars. If they did they'd get something from a prestige brand, not a Tesla.
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djnotts wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 7:35pmA simple NO.
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No, and if I could find a way to circumvent the media control exercised by Musk and his mates, I'd tell everyone to boycott Tesla too.

We, as consumers, have enormous power if only we could circumvent this media control act and in concert.

The vast majority of us don't 'need' to buy a Tesla, or use Facebook or Twitter or Amazon. If only 50% of the population boycotted them for a month we could bring them crashing down.

I'd also like to see the media supporting the BDS programme against Israel, as they eventually did against aparthied South Africa but they never will, they know who their paymasters are :(
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I'm generally a bit conflicted when it comes to my spending, so I REALLY need to oppose a business owner to boycott them. In this case it is now:
- buy a Tesla? NO
- use Twitter? Yes, for now.

Twitter is so much more than it's owner - partly because I have 15 years of history there pre-Musk.
It feels like an ambiguous decision, but here I am. At the moment ...

on Censorship/moderation:
I'm aware that some journalists have been banned from Twitter for posting against Musk. So that's not good!
But on everyday threads there are millions of anti-Musk posts. In that sense it's still free speech - you can very easily tell people not to buy a Tesla! An odd situation.
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... e.g.
Time to boycott Tesla. Everywhere.

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boycott tesla twitter from twitter.com
Time to boycott Tesla. Everywhere. https://t.co/ZE8Xp2D3Su.
... or search for more: https://www.google.com/search?q=boycott ... s-wiz-serp
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pete75 wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 5:13am Yeah but they're not the sort by buying electric cars. If they did they'd get something from a prestige brand, not a Tesla.
You might be surprised - there is growing evidence that that green tag on the reg plate is now a prestige symbol on it's own, irrespective of which car it's attached to.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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[XAP]Bob wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 9:22am
pete75 wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 5:13am Yeah but they're not the sort by buying electric cars. If they did they'd get something from a prestige brand, not a Tesla.
You might be surprised - there is growing evidence that that green tag on the reg plate is now a prestige symbol on it's own, irrespective of which car it's attached to.
Yeah, the green tag signals look at me, I CARE. And top Tesla 100 grand, so not too demeaning!

For an enemy of the over intrusive state, Musk does pretty well out of it:

"bottom line is that carbon credits and EV rebates (both provided for by the federal government) are responsible for over 100% of Teslas' net income.

The US taxpayers are the ones keeping Elon Musk in the black. There is no other single person in American history who has received more financial benefit from Washington DC handouts than Elon Musk and Tesla. He is certainly the king of socialist handouts." (Source unverified but there are many other similar comments on th'internet.)

Will Trump be so obliging with mate's rates? Probably.
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pete75 wrote: 23 Jan 2025, 5:42pm Where are all the Elon Musk cancer centres?
Where are all the Elon Musk hospital wings?
Where are all the Elon Musk food banks?
Where are all the Elon Musk educational grants & scholarships?
What disease eradication efforts does Elon Musk support?
How does Elon Musk use his vast wealth to help eradicate poverty?
How does Elon Musk use his vast wealth to help eradicate hunger?
How does Elon Musk use his vast wealth to improve access to health care?
How does Elon Musk use his vast wealth to help under-fed and under-housed children?
How does Elon Musk use his vast wealth to help eradicate homelessness?
Does Elon Musk have any philanthropic interests beyond his own wealth and security?
Where are all the testimonies and stories of Elon Musk's generosity and kindness to others?
I'm sure they will come. Right now he's too busy calling people "pedos" ...
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[XAP]Bob wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 9:22am
pete75 wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 5:13am Yeah but they're not the sort by buying electric cars. If they did they'd get something from a prestige brand, not a Tesla.
You might be surprised - there is growing evidence that that green tag on the reg plate is now a prestige symbol on it's own, irrespective of which car it's attached to.
Yes, it’s form of - government backed - virtue signalling.
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mattheus wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 9:15am But on everyday threads there are millions of anti-Musk posts. In that sense it's still free speech - you can very easily tell people not to buy a Tesla! An odd situation.
You can try to tell people, but the perverted algorithm will limit how many see it, while it boosts the far right spew.
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Carlton green wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 9:55am
[XAP]Bob wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 9:22am
pete75 wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 5:13am Yeah but they're not the sort by buying electric cars. If they did they'd get something from a prestige brand, not a Tesla.
You might be surprised - there is growing evidence that that green tag on the reg plate is now a prestige symbol on it's own, irrespective of which car it's attached to.
Yes, it’s form of - government backed - virtue signalling.
It *can* be... It isn't always.
It's often just what's the best option.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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djnotts wrote: 24 Jan 2025, 9:34am There is no other single person in American history who has received more financial benefit from Washington DC handouts than Elon Musk and Tesla. He is certainly the king of socialist handouts." (Source unverified but there are many other similar comments on th'internet.)
Something like that does need referencing.
It also needs looking at in terms of inflation adjusted figures.
It also needs looking at in terms of whether some of that benefit is actually contracts to do things, not "direct payments". And of course in line with the "If you're doing something that is socially beneficial and get a tax rebate as a result then that's being paid to do something that is socially beneficial".
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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