War on Our Doorstep: How do we respond?

[UpWrong]

3) Boost our economy by allowing fracking. This will provide our indusry with cheaper energy to aid manufacturing.

Why do you think that allowing fracking would magically reduce energy costs in the UK?

By increasing supply. Aren't our gas prices stratospheric? But I haven't seen an economic plan of how it compares to North Sea gas fields in terns of extraction costs.

[djnotts]

I'm currently again waiting on cancer test results - don't seem all that important right now!

Very best wishes.

Ditto

Thanks both.

[reohn2]

3) Boost our economy by allowing fracking. This will provide our indusry with cheaper energy to aid manufacturing.

Why do you think that allowing fracking would magically reduce energy costs in the UK?

my thoughts exactly,when any oil produced would be by private companies and sold on the open market to the highest bidder.

[roubaixtuesday]

3) Boost our economy by allowing fracking. This will provide our indusry with cheaper energy to aid manufacturing.

Why do you think that allowing fracking would magically reduce energy costs in the UK?

By increasing supply. Aren't our gas prices stratospheric? But I haven't seen an economic plan of how it compares to North Sea gas fields in terns of extraction costs.

Oil and gas are sold in a global market. Even if there were extra supply from UK fracking and even if it was possible quickly (both highly unlikely) it would make no signify difference to global supply.

Extraction cost is irrelevant.

Whereas renewables reduce demand for gas, directly reducing costs if gas prices are high.

[reohn2]

Why do you think that allowing fracking would magically reduce energy costs in the UK?

By increasing supply. Aren't our gas prices stratospheric? But I haven't seen an economic plan of how it compares to North Sea gas fields in terns of extraction costs.

Oil and gas are sold in a global market. Even if there were extra supply from UK fracking and even if it was possible quickly (both highly unlikely) it would make no signify difference to global supply.

Extraction cost is irrelevant.

Whereas renewables reduce demand for gas, directly reducing costs if gas prices are high.

Correct,because renewable sourced energy can't be exported,presently at least.

[pete75]

By increasing supply. Aren't our gas prices stratospheric? But I haven't seen an economic plan of how it compares to North Sea gas fields in terns of extraction costs.

Oil and gas are sold in a global market. Even if there were extra supply from UK fracking and even if it was possible quickly (both highly unlikely) it would make no signify difference to global supply.

Extraction cost is irrelevant.

Whereas renewables reduce demand for gas, directly reducing costs if gas prices are high.

Correct,because renewable sourced energy can't be exported,presently at least.

It can be. Viking Link, which tarnsports electricity between England and Denmark, started operating at the end of 2023.

[reohn2]

Oil and gas are sold in a global market. Even if there were extra supply from UK fracking and even if it was possible quickly (both highly unlikely) it would make no signify difference to global supply.

Extraction cost is irrelevant.

Whereas renewables reduce demand for gas, directly reducing costs if gas prices are high.

Correct,because renewable sourced energy can't be exported,presently at least.

It can be. Viking Link, which tarnsports electricity between England and Denmark, started operating at the end of 2023.

But more than likely not,used mainly for the domestic market.

[UpWrong]

Oil and gas are sold in a global market. Even if there were extra supply from UK fracking and even if it was possible quickly (both highly unlikely) it would make no signify difference to global supply.

Extraction cost is irrelevant.

Whereas renewables reduce demand for gas, directly reducing costs if gas prices are high.

OK, I'll concede the point. The main thrust of my post was really about increasing defence spending to give our economy a boost, and funding it in the first place by raising income tax. A secondary point was reducing energy costs to industry, somehow. I think Trump's drive to lower US energy prices wll work economically, at the expense of the environment, and might actually hit Putin hard by reducing oil prices to $40 a barrel. I really want Trump to maintain sanctions on Russis. He has the means to break the Russian economy, if he wants.

[pete75]

Correct,because renewable sourced energy can't be exported,presently at least.

It can be. Viking Link, which tarnsports electricity between England and Denmark, started operating at the end of 2023.

But more than likely not,used mainly for the domestic market.

It has been in constant use since the end of 2023. I saw them building it, seen the substations. It is there and can send electricity in either direction. There's been an undersea cable between Britian and france for many years, used for transfer of electricity between the two countries.
It's perfectly possible to export electricity, however it's produced. Basically all it needs is a bit of wire and some control gear.

[wheelyhappy99]

The Ukraine was doomed to lose from the start. All our help has done is prolong the war.

I can understand how someone who swallowed all the cold war propogand can think like you. The USSR has gone so you need another bogey man to frightne the kids with. It ain't gonna happen though.

Maybe remember that Russia expected to be in Kyiv in three days. And still isn't. Our limited help didn't start arriving until after Ukrainians had pushed Russia back.

The USSR may have gone, but please ask yourself if it would be reasonable for the surviving residents of Bucha to be frightened for themselves and their kids if Russian troops were to return there. Then perhaps consider how many Ukrainian refugees will move west rather than remain under Russian occupation.

They'll only move west if they're allowed to, and they ain't well liked in Poland. The Volhynia genocide is still well remembered there.

Zelensky and Tusk met just last month to kiss and make up over that series of massacres. Perhaps because they both realise they have a more significant common threat?

Poland has admitted a lot of Ukrainian refugees already, and been the transit route to countries further west including the UK. There were quite a few catching the bus at the border crossing to head west when I was there a few weeks ago. My point is that if Ukrainians don't feel safe under Russian occupation many many more will do the same.

The UK likes to remember how generous it was taking Jewish kids from the Kinder transports in 1938-9. We are less keen to.tecall that the kids travelled alone because we refused to admit their parents. And we know what happened to most of them.

So is the UK now willing to do much more, along with other European countries, the US having washed it's hands of the war to.focus on getting cheap rare earths, to keep Ukraine safe for Ukrainians? Or would we prefer to take our share of the subsequent refugees if we don't? Or will we do the same as in 1939 and leave them to the tender care of the Russians?

[djnotts]

^ "So is the UK now willing to do much more, along with other European countries, the US having washed it's hands of the war to.focus on getting cheap rare earths, to keep Ukraine safe for Ukrainians? Or would we prefer to take our share of the subsequent refugees if we don't? Or will we do the same as in 1939 and leave them to the tender care of the Russians?"

Good, fair, pressing questions.

No, no and yes, I fear.

[reohn2]

It can be. Viking Link, which tarnsports electricity between England and Denmark, started operating at the end of 2023.

But more than likely not,used mainly for the domestic market.

It has been in constant use since the end of 2023. I saw them building it, seen the substations. It is there and can send electricity in either direction. There's been an undersea cable between Britian and france for many years, used for transfer of electricity between the two countries.
It's perfectly possible to export electricity, however it's produced. Basically all it needs is a bit of wire and some control gear.

It may be possible but it won't be because presently and in the future electricity is being imported due to France and Denmark's surplus,they would hardly need ours if they have such a surplus,more so in the case of France

[Mike Sales]

If Trump wants to exploit Ukraine's rare earths he would want some control. Whereabouts in Ukraine are those resources? Was some sort of division discussed in the 90 minute phone call?
The Muskrat would welcome an assured supply of rare earths.

[UpWrong]

If Trump wants to exploit Ukraine's rare earths he would want some control. Whereabouts in Ukraine are those resources?

About 70% are in Eastern Ukraine, now occupied by Russia.

[pete75]

But more than likely not,used mainly for the domestic market.

It has been in constant use since the end of 2023. I saw them building it, seen the substations. It is there and can send electricity in either direction. There's been an undersea cable between Britian and france for many years, used for transfer of electricity between the two countries.
It's perfectly possible to export electricity, however it's produced. Basically all it needs is a bit of wire and some control gear.

It may be possible but it won't be because presently and in the future electricity is being imported due to France and Denmark's surplus,they would hardly need ours if they have such a surplus,more so in the case of France

The point is, it's possible to export electricity as shown by FRance and Denmark.