War on Our Doorstep: How do we respond?

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djnotts wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 8:40am This is taking on shades of Alice in Wonderland.

"As part of their provisional agreement, the US and Russia agreed that Ukraine must hold elections before any peace deal was reached, reports the Daily Telegraph. The paper says it raises concerns that Russia could use the ballot to oust Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and "install a pro-Putin candidate who would agree to peace terms favourable to Moscow"." (BBC News.)

How about same condition for Russia? Nope, didn't think so.

Seems Trump has also said Ukraine shouldn't have started this!

I can't recall any such total distortion of "facts" in an international setting (although the US in SE Asia in '60s comes close!).

Trump's tactics conceding all the aggressor nation wanted hardly warrants the term "negotiations".
We must hope that there are still adults in the room - I'm looking at you Mr Rubio.
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Trump, Hesgeth and Vance seem to be delighting in insulting anyone who is not an American, above all else. They've clearly never heard of diplomacy. It's a bit scary :(
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Stradageek wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 9:02am Trump, Hesgeth and Vance seem to be delighting in insulting anyone who is not an American, above all else. They've clearly never heard of diplomacy. It's a bit scary :(
Have they been insulting any Russians?!

They've heard of diplomacy, simply decided it's not for them!
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Isn’t diplomacy “lying for your country”?

These guys seem to do “lying for personal enrichment” instead.
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Bonefishblues wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 8:54am We must hope that there are still adults in the room - I'm looking at you Mr Rubio.
Am assuming this is dark humour?
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 10:23am
Bonefishblues wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 8:54am We must hope that there are still adults in the room - I'm looking at you Mr Rubio.
Am assuming this is dark humour?
Earnest hopefulness.
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"The US has taken sides against democracy"


https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/ ... irect=true
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Bonefishblues wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 10:23am
roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 10:23am
Bonefishblues wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 8:54am We must hope that there are still adults in the room - I'm looking at you Mr Rubio.
Am assuming this is dark humour?
Earnest hopefulness.
Ah.

I'd give your chances as below zero. There's no chance whatever Rubio will stand up to Trump, and a small chance he's actually worse.
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 10:26am
Bonefishblues wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 10:23am
roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 10:23am

Am assuming this is dark humour?
Earnest hopefulness.
Ah.

I'd give your chances as below zero. There's no chance whatever Rubio will stand up to Trump, and a small chance he's actually worse.
One doesn't stand up to Trump because he views that as a challenge to his orangehood, but insider accounts do suggest that he's able to be influenced. Already we have Rubio stating that Ukraine must be party to any agreement - something that had been excluded up to now.

Yours, cup half full :D
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 10:25am "The US has taken sides against democracy"


https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/ ... irect=true
What can you expect from such an undemocratic a**hole such as Trump and his moronic oligarch administration,like Iraq they'll already be dividing up the spoils,creeps the lot of them!
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djnotts wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 9:20am
Stradageek wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 9:02am Trump, Hesgeth and Vance seem to be delighting in insulting anyone who is not an American, above all else. They've clearly never heard of diplomacy. It's a bit scary :(
Have they been insulting any Russians?!

They've heard of diplomacy, simply decided it's not for them!
They can't spell the word let alone practice it's meaning!
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Just listening to Zelensky's speech on the BBC.
A man of integrity amongst small boys bullies with too much power,power that could lead to a war throughout Europe.
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If this goes the way it’s looking, a sell-out to Russia, with facilitated regime-change in Ukraine, leading to “peace”, I predict that it will be less than five milliseconds before Farage starts trumpeting what a damned-fine job has been done, and how all good patriots should applaud.

That guy is the doorman who will facilitate Trump-Putin-Musk-Russian Oligarch sapping of the UK, until we too get rolled-over.
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reohn2 wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 11:03am Just listening to Zelensky's speech on the BBC.
A man of integrity amongst small boys bullies with too much power,power that could lead to a war throughout Europe.

Trump has likely massively underestimated Ukraine and Zelensky.

Problem is, Zelensky may have overestimated UK and EU.
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 11:44am
reohn2 wrote: 19 Feb 2025, 11:03am Just listening to Zelensky's speech on the BBC.
A man of integrity amongst small boys bullies with too much power,power that could lead to a war throughout Europe.

Trump has likely massively underestimated Ukraine and Zelensky.

Problem is, Zelensky may have overestimated UK and EU.
It's time for Europe to step up, for sure.
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