A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

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awavey wrote: 9 Jun 2025, 9:24pm
Cowsham wrote: 5 Jun 2025, 12:55pm
awavey wrote: 4 Jun 2025, 11:50pm its worth pointing out statistically speaking,having 2 lights, does increase the chance of a light failure occuring over time
Why do you think " its worth pointing out"?. Is it really " worth pointing out"?.
Ive always found it an interesting part of maths because it ends up creating something that isnt always intuitive at first glance, and lots of people double up on lights to reduce an expected failure
I wouldn't have thought lots of people put extra lights on just to reduce an expected failure.

Failures are not expected but the consequences of one essential part failing could be devastating.

Risk factors should feature in your maths they make maths more interesting still.
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awavey wrote: 4 Jun 2025, 11:50pm its worth pointing out statistically speaking,having 2 lights, does increase the chance of a light failure occuring over time
It also increases exponentially the chances you'll have to fix or replace the broken light.
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Prison sentence for causing death by dangerous driving reduced from four years to one to three years on review (driving ban increased from six to seven and a half though)

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-06- ... ce-reduced
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One year in the clink and a three-year driving ban for a lethal hit-and-run.

"Ivers was charged with dangerous driving and perverting the course of justice, Kent Police not charging him in relation to the collision itself."

(Which is presumably why the sentence is less than the 'Causing death by dangerous driving' minimums.)
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ratherbeintobago wrote: 20 Jun 2025, 12:19pm One year in the clink and a three-year driving ban for a lethal hit-and-run.

"Ivers was charged with dangerous driving and perverting the course of justice, Kent Police not charging him in relation to the collision itself."

(Which is presumably why the sentence is less than the 'Causing death by dangerous driving' minimums.)
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This seems to fit all the criteria, sadly :(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn86n761jjeo
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Bonefishblues wrote: 17 Jul 2025, 2:31pm This seems to fit all the criteria, sadly :(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn86n761jjeo
Absolutely, this is total madness.

We really need a petition to change the law on drivers that kill, longer minimum custodial sentences for convictions and lifetime bans.

This has got to change.
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driver found not guilty of death by dangerous driving, whilst clearly being shown to have been distracted using a mobile phone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... iving.html
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Assaulting a police officer, high on drugs and speeding gets a suspended sentence.

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awavey wrote: 4 Aug 2025, 10:41pm driver found not guilty of death by dangerous driving, whilst clearly being shown to have been distracted using a mobile phone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... iving.html
Absolutely tragic. Cases such as these highlight the failure of a jury system where 'mass acceptance' and 'normalisation' of an action or process affect the outcome.
He was clearly distracted by using the phone - the evidence is there, and a judge (without a car-centric, phone using, biased jury) would convict on the evidence.
The use of mobile phones has become an addiction for many. The technology exists to block the driver of a vehicle from using the phone whilst driving, but the huge telecoms companies would never allow it to happen.
I can't believe the victim-blamers' comments that cyclists shouldn't be 'racing on the road' - failing to understand that even in their tin box they could be the next victim of a phone-watching idiot.
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fastpedaller wrote: 5 Aug 2025, 10:59am
awavey wrote: 4 Aug 2025, 10:41pm driver found not guilty of death by dangerous driving, whilst clearly being shown to have been distracted using a mobile phone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... iving.html
Absolutely tragic. Cases such as these highlight the failure of a jury system where 'mass acceptance' and 'normalisation' of an action or process affect the outcome.
He was clearly distracted by using the phone - the evidence is there, and a judge (without a car-centric, phone using, biased jury) would convict on the evidence.
The use of mobile phones has become an addiction for many. The technology exists to block the driver of a vehicle from using the phone whilst driving, but the huge telecoms companies would never allow it to happen.
I can't believe the victim-blamers' comments that cyclists shouldn't be 'racing on the road' - failing to understand that even in their tin box they could be the next victim of a phone-watching idiot.
Im flabbergasted by the juries decision, but as you say I suppose I shouldnt be, I see the evidence out on the roads on a fairly frequent basis that mobile phone use is just endemic among some drivers and accepted as much as changing the radio station, even though it too of course would fall under dangerous driving as an avoidable distraction if you killed someone in the process.

but yeah just how ? how did the jury fail to understand the law which I thought was pretty clear theres no acceptable use of a mobile phone whilst driving part.

though clearly if selected from the likes of the victim blamers, they dont understand someone driving a vehicle at 60mph that isnt paying attention, theyre driving straight into the back of you whether you are a cyclist, or a car driver and crashes at those speeds can just be as fatal or life changing for the people in the car and others who get collected up in it.
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I'm not sure that the law does say that? A phone may be used if in a holder. It may be touched. At no point must its use distract you though. It's a bit of a mess - and the prevalence of touch screens in cars further muddies the water.
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I understand the authorities (unsure if EU or UK) are concerned the 'switching' in some modern cars is distracting and may introduce some requirements (revert to 'old school switches'?)
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Bonefishblues wrote: 5 Aug 2025, 10:12pm I'm not sure that the law does say that? A phone may be used if in a holder. It may be touched. At no point must its use distract you though. It's a bit of a mess - and the prevalence of touch screens in cars further muddies the water.
no it cant be touched,touching your phone for any reason while you're driving counts as 'using' it, and its the 'using' part which is against the law.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/200 ... gulation/2

Whilst the phone can be put in a holder, which must not obstruct the drivers view, the phone cant be touched physically whilst you are driving, even if you are stationary, and 'safely parked' whilst the engine is running, unless you are paying for a toll road or drive-thru with contactless payment.

but fundamentally you cannot use a mobile phone whilst driving, that parts not negotiable.
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i use my wifes ex phone as a satnav with google maps. it dosent work as a phone as its memory is now insufficient and ive removed its sim card. is this legal as it involves interacting with it whilst driving. :?
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