Cycling UK 'Top 100 women cyclists' nominee declines over policy change

[pjclinch]

All I'm looking for here is dignity for individuals until they demonstrate (as individuals) they don't deserve it. The way CUK dumped transgender people out of this award comes across to me as lacking that.

And I would say that the way trans-identifying males were inserted/inserted themselves into a women’s award showed a complete lack respect for the dignity of women.

I've already pointed out that dignity needs to work both ways, and where individuals show themselves undeserving of it that they cannot expect it, and in any case that's not the same as no transgender people show others respect.

Your use of sub-par individuals to characterise a group doesn't actually help.

Pete.

[Bmblbzzz]

Finally, it is further my impression that the reasons and situations in which people choose to transition, and all kinds of characteristics of those people, are far more varied than some people seem to assume. There also appears very little scope in some for the dignity of intersex people who are born in a non-binary state.

If this debate was about the tiny proportion of people living with those sort of conditions, or even, to be honest, about those with GRC’s or even genuinley going through the process of transitioning, then it would be a very different conversation.

"Those genuinely going through the process of transitioning"? As opposed to what? Are you saying some people "falsely" go through the process of transitioning?

[Zulu Eleven]

"Those genuinely going through the process of transitioning"? As opposed to what? Are you saying some people "falsely" go through the process of transitioning?

Yes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

[pjclinch]

In any large group you'll find fringe nasties, and that's about statistics and humans in general, not the group.

There are ~200,000+ transgender people in the UK, a story about one of them being a weapons grade bampot is almost certainly not representative. But, a bit like finding a war criminal or rapist in amongst a never ending line of refugees, it tends to be the exceptions that get into the national news and used as examples to spread mistrust, fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Pete.

[Bmblbzzz]

I note that this person is in prison, which is a fairly likely place to find nasty characters. As an aside, a bisexual (cis) female friend says she's suffered far more abuse from female partners than male ones, including non-consensual BDSM, so it's not a given even that women are nicer people.

[TrevA]

The WI will no longer accept Trans Women as members from April

https://apple.news/A18ruaOdJTMCg_NVKpo7u7A

Girl guides too, will no longer accept Trans Girls.

[Jdsk]

The Cycling UK statement of eligibility:
https://www.cyclinguk.org/100-women-cycling-2025

"National Federation of Women’s Institutes updates membership rules in light of Supreme Court judgment":
https://www.thewi.org.uk/media-centre/press-releases
includes:
In April, the Supreme Court in the UK ruled that the legal definition of a woman under the Equality Act (2010) refers only to biological sex. Since the ruling, we have reviewed our long-held practice and membership policy to ensure we are compliant with the law. Today (Wednesday, 3 December), we have announced we can no longer legally offer formal membership to transgender women in light of this judgment. However, we will bring forward programmes to continue to extend fellowship, sisterhood, and support to transgender women. Read our full statement below from CEO Melissa Green:
It is with the utmost regret and sadness that we must announce that, from April 2026, we can no longer offer formal membership to transgender women. As an organisation that has proudly welcomed transgender women into our membership for more than 40 years, this is not something we would do unless we felt that we had no other choice.

Jonathan

(Edited: Crossed post)

[TrevA]

It would be interesting to know BC’s position on Trans Women ( outside of competitive cycling) and whether it has changed recently. I understand that Trans Women are or have been welcomed on Breeze rides. Indeed, we have a member of our cycling club who is a Trans Woman and is also a Breeze Ride Leader.

Edit: looks like nothing has changed recently. Trans Women can still participate in Breeze rides, see FAQs for non-competitive activities:

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about ... ion-FAQs-0

[Nearholmer]

So …….. they’re all doing “what the law says”, or at least that’s what they say they’re doing.

Whose lives does improve? What harm does it prevent?

I’m beginning to wonder whether the law might be a bit of an ass.

[Jdsk]

The behaviour of the EHRC and the government after the Supreme Court ruling is the problem. But I would like to see the legal advice that organisations are receiving.

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

It would be interesting to know BC’s position on Trans Women ( outside of competitive cycling) and whether it has changed recently. I understand that Trans Women are or have been welcomed on Breeze rides. Indeed, we have a member of our cycling club who is a Trans Woman and is also a Breeze Ride Leader.

Edit: looks like nothing has changed recently. Trans Women can still participate in Breeze rides, see FAQs for non-competitive activities:

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about ... ion-FAQs-0

Having separate policies for competitive and non-competitive activities is just the sort of local and pragmatic decision making that will get us out of this mess.

Jonathan

[roubaixtuesday]

It is with the utmost regret and sadness that we must announce that, from April 2026, we can no longer offer formal membership to transgender women. As an organisation that has proudly welcomed transgender women into our membership for more than 40 years, this is not something we would do unless we felt that we had no other choice.

Very sad to see, and relevant to those in the thread who have asserted these decisions should be down to women to make.

[mattheus]

So …….. they’re all doing “what the law says”, or at least that’s what they say they’re doing.

Whose lives does [it] improve? What harm does it prevent?

Funny: I think the same when I read about new h*lmet rules ...

[Nearholmer]

And when precisely did the law, or anyone citing the law as their reason, impose any of those?

Never happened, did it?

So the case is hardly comparable.

If the law did impose in that area based on the present state of knowledge, I’d think it was being very asinine.

[mattheus]

So the case is hardly comparable.

Your inability to note the key points of the analogy does not undermine it.

But anyway, I've made my point, let's get back to CUK-bashing ...