UK Politics

[deeferdonk]

On one of the WW2 anniversaries the local history group did profiles of people who lived in our village and died during the war. I had a 2 great Uncles who died in the war, one each from my Mum's and Dad's side of the family who were both profiled. In the background info, that the group had got from parish records, it showed that both my great Uncles grew up on the same street. I happen to still live a few hundred yards from that street now. So in 4 generations my genetic make up has moved less than a mile, so presumably I am inbred enough to meet the requirements.

My wife's father came from India and her mother from some other country where they talk funny (Cymru, i believe they call it). My father in law was chased down the street in his youth by gangs partaking in P-word bashing. Can't believe we're heading back in that direction.

F*** these rascists. ¡No pasarán!

[pete75]

The "reason" for the policy is to obtain the votes of those who feel their only recourse is to find or create pariahs and scapegoats who are lower in the pecking order class system of Blighty than they are themselves - "others" who can serve as a means to vent spleens choked up to the gunnels with the bile of fear and loathing induced by a diet of privation, neglect, zero opportunity and distain.

Lyndon Johnson "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

[pete75]

And that's his plan, to be widened to "white people who were born in Britain and whose parents were born in Britain."

I think the big eared loser from the Gorton by-election mentioned something like three generation of British born parents before someone could hold a public office of any importance.
Wonder what the King thinks to the idea, it'd mean he couldn't wear the crown and nor could his children or grandchildren, all thanks to Phil the Greek.

Not the first time the far right's definition of Britishness has excluded the King and would have excluded Winston Churchill. We are an island of immigrants and they won't accept reality.

Has there ever been a British (so post-unification) monarch who would have passed their mad three-generation purity test?

Historically royalty married royalty so spouses almost always had to come from different countries, albeit often blood relatives. The first exception was the Queen Mother, merely an aristocrat but she married a second son who wasn't expected to become king. Back to royalty with Prince Philip, a member of the Danish and Greek royal families.

[mjr]

Historically royalty married royalty so spouses almost always had to come from different countries, albeit often blood relatives. [...]

Only recently. Historically, English monarchs James II, Jane (disputed), Henry VIII (repeatedly), Henry VII, Richard III, Edward IV, Henry IV and probably more all married gentry or nobility, rather than royalty.

But even then, there was rarely three generations between foreigners.

[pete75]

Historically royalty married royalty so spouses almost always had to come from different countries, albeit often blood relatives. [...]

Only recently. Historically, English monarchs James II, Jane (disputed), Henry VIII (repeatedly), Henry VII, Richard III, Edward IV, Henry IV and probably more all married gentry or nobility, rather than royalty.

But even then, there was rarely three generations between foreigners.

Yes, but even back then far more married royalty than commoners, including Henry VII who married the daughter of Edward IV. Henry VIII originally married the daughter of the king of Aragon, after that he married wherever his libido led him.

[mjr]

Historically royalty married royalty so spouses almost always had to come from different countries, albeit often blood relatives. [...]

Only recently. Historically, English monarchs James II, Jane (disputed), Henry VIII (repeatedly), Henry VII, Richard III, Edward IV, Henry IV and probably more all married gentry or nobility, rather than royalty.

But even then, there was rarely three generations between foreigners.

Yes, but even back then far more married royalty than commoners, including Henry VII who married the daughter of Edward IV. [...]

Whose family was no longer royal by that point, him having replaced them.

[pete75]

Only recently. Historically, English monarchs James II, Jane (disputed), Henry VIII (repeatedly), Henry VII, Richard III, Edward IV, Henry IV and probably more all married gentry or nobility, rather than royalty.

But even then, there was rarely three generations between foreigners.

Yes, but even back then far more married royalty than commoners, including Henry VII who married the daughter of Edward IV. [...]

Whose family was no longer royal by that point, him having replaced them.

Oh she was certainly regarded as royalty by Henry. He even considered her brother, the never crowned Edward V as his predecessor in the line of kingship, not Richard.

[mjr]

Meanwhile, are any of Nigel mini-Trump's fans on here reconsidering their support in light of his video messages for an imprisoned rioter (who he told to "keep acting in the right way"), a neo-Nazi event ("the best thing that ever happened"), and repeated use of a Tommy "ten names" Robinson slogan?

[Lance Dopestrong]

Politics is in a parlous state and the prospects for the next election are concerning to say the least.

Labour had 14 years in opposition to come up with an oven-ready plan for all aspects of government,but instead chose to spend the time bad mouthing the incumbent government. They then effectively lie their way into administration with no real idea what to do, muck up pretty much everything they touch, and then wonder why the public turn on them.

Perhaps we expected too much from a party who's leader couldn't make up his mind whether of not a woman could have a weenis until the Supreme Court made his mind up for him, upon which he suddenly decided it was "quite clear" that they couldn't. He's an opportunist, and not a very good one at that.

We're in real danger of finding the country run by a brownshirt with a history of anti semitic behaviour in his youth, or a loon that thinks women's body parts can be physically enhanced in size by hypnotism. Well, if either or those come to pass we're off to Ireland (the Wife is Irish-British dual national). Possibly Scotland might depart the union if that happened, and being Scottish myself that could also be an option.

Either way im genuinely frightened about the nature of the next government that Free Gesr Keir is setting us up for.

[mattheus]

We're in real danger of finding the country run by a brownshirt with a history of anti semitic behaviour in his youth, or a loon that thinks women's body parts can be physically enhanced in size by hypnotism. Well, if either or those come to pass we're off to Ireland (the Wife is Irish-British dual national). Possibly Scotland might depart the union if that happened, and being Scottish myself that could also be an option.

Either way im genuinely frightened about the nature of the next government that Free Gesr Keir is setting us up for.

Another concern is that lots of voters actually fell for this smear campaign
I feel sorry for Ireland/Scotland if they all end up there- oh well, never mind!

[mjr]

We're in real danger of finding the country run by a brownshirt with a history of anti semitic behaviour in his youth, or a loon that thinks women's body parts can be physically enhanced in size by hypnotism. Well, if either or those come to pass we're off to Ireland (the Wife is Irish-British dual national). Possibly Scotland might depart the union if that happened, and being Scottish myself that could also be an option.

Either way im genuinely frightened about the nature of the next government that Free Gesr Keir is setting us up for.

Another concern is that lots of voters actually fell for this smear campaign
I feel sorry for Ireland/Scotland if they all end up there- oh well, never mind!

Yeah, it's a bit different to the usual trap pieces by The Scum, in that their reporter actually had to claim that her breasts had grown and then basically challenge a twentysomething Zack to contradict her, in order to get some juicy quotes out of him when he tried to agree with her belief.

So he was a bit too keen to be agreeable - but that's hardly rare among politicians - and he has apologised for it several times, which is in stark contrast to Nigel mini-Trump who seems to have spent his young life running around freely professing racist views unsolicited. Instead of apologising, Farage has recently denied saying things which have many witnesses and has really contorted language a few times to avoid disagreeing with the reported comments of his younger self... in fact, he's said far worse in recent paid-for videos, as I mentioned a few posts back.

Drawing a false equivalence between those two seems far too kind to Farage.

[Morzedec]

My neighbour's name is Thatcher. Ought he to run for parliament?

[mjr]

My neighbour's name is Thatcher. Ought he to run for parliament?

It wouldn't be the first time a surname has been used to confuse the electorate...

[the snail]

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We're in real danger of finding the country run by a brownshirt with a history of anti semitic behaviour in his youth...

So the rise of reform is somehow the fault of Labour, and not the clueless tories who have trashed the country,wasted years bickering about brexit, and chosen a series of hopelessly incompetent grifters as leaders, who couldn't even deliver on their xenophobic policies?

[axel_knutt]

Our local Wetherspoons has just refused to serve Reform supporters.
I'll get my popcorn & pull up a chair.
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