Attitudes, again

[pjclinch]

I am not especially surprised by this, but am exasperated.

That Emily Cherry can listen to a well-meaning but not especially well informed radio presenter suggesting non-wearing of lids needs to be made "socially unacceptable" and not shoot it down given an easy opportunity to do so is very poor.

She also failed to take issue with the presenter's suggestion that riding without a lid is unsafe, or that people riding without is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Someone like that really ought to do better, making a point of supporting anyone's informed free choice of whether or not they wear.

Pete.

[fatmac]

Bikes have been ridden safely for decades (century's) without helmets, it is only a recent phenomenon.

EDIT: So why don't car drivers wear helmets, like racing & rally driver do.....

[853]

Bikes have been ridden safely for decades (century's) without helmets, it is only a recent phenomenon.

EDIT: So why don't car drivers wear helmets, like racing & rally driver do.....

They do, sort of, they're called airbags and curtain airbags

[Mike Sales]

Unfortunately, in spite of air bags, motorists still die in accidents, often of head injuries.
Perhaps helmets would help.
The amount of kinetic energy embodied in a car at road speeds is such that when something goes amiss people outside and inside the vehicle get hurt.

[pjclinch]

Unfortunately, in spite of air bags, motorists still die in accidents, often of head injuries.
Perhaps helmets would help.
The amount of kinetic energy embodied in a car at road speeds is such that when something goes amiss people outside and inside the vehicle get hurt.

Quite. In fact RTCs are right up alongside trips and falls as the biggest cause of head trauma in the UK. For those under 65 RTCs are the biggest cause of traumatic brain injury, despite the wide use of airbags (and seatbelts, and crumple zones and safety cages and ABS brakes etc. etc.).

Pete.

[pjclinch]

And another point on the "but cars have airbags!" issue...
Not all cars, particularly older classics, do have airbags. However, if someone drives up in a pre-airbag classic (say, the mint 60s Alfa Romeo Giulia that's owned by someone round the corner here and is presently on loan to Dundee Transport Museum) they are quite likely be complimented on their cool car, as opposed to getting harangued for driving something that doesn't even have head restraints, let alone airbags because it's apparently important to make such dangerous practices "socially unacceptable".

Pete.

[axel_knutt]

Unfortunately, in spite of air bags, motorists still die in accidents, often of head injuries.
Perhaps helmets would help.

Oh don't, it's hard enough finding a car with enough headroom as it is.

[pjclinch]

Unfortunately, in spite of air bags, motorists still die in accidents, often of head injuries.
Perhaps helmets would help.

Oh don't, it's hard enough finding a car with enough headroom as it is.

You'd need to do some more work to be sure, but I'd guess you could get a lot of useful protection around the head without bothering with the top.

Even something like this... https://www.rezonwear.com/ After all <insert extensive list of platitudes as to why riding a bike without any extra head protection is foolish>!

Pete.

[cycle tramp]

I got to the line and I quote 'it's a straight battle between vanity and safety' and had to turn it off.. what a pompous self righteous person... its that sort of statement which makes me want to >redacted under forum guidelines< over and over again until they >redacted under forum guidelines<

No, it's really not.. safety starts in the mind, and continues through being alert and predicting what may happen as you continue your cycle journey and handling the risk in a competent manner.
A cycle helmet is a piece of equipment which nay or may not be effective depending on your circumstances.

As ever, let the rider decide...

[axel_knutt]

I got to the line and I quote 'it's a straight battle between vanity and safety' and had to turn it off.. what a pompous self righteous person... its that sort of statement which makes me want to >redacted under forum guidelines< over and over again until they >redacted under forum guidelines<

No, it's really not.. safety starts in the mind, and continues through being alert and predicting what may happen as you continue your cycle journey and handling the risk in a competent manner.
A cycle helmet is a piece of equipment which nay or may not be effective depending on your circumstances.

As ever, let the rider decide...

Safety is just one good among many that are traded off against one another. It's a mistake to think that people want a risk free life when all the evidence demonstrates that they patently don't.

[Lance Dopestrong]

Not not really surprising, The public, even cyclists themselves for the most part, have an unrealistic view of the efficacy of helmets.

The fact that well meaning, but Ill informed, folk often say, "its not you, it's the car drivers", while totally overlooking the not designed to protect the user in a vehicular impact label in the box of every single EN or SNELL helmet.

I don't hear discussion on the radio expressing surprise drivers often still own old 3 star NCAP rated cars, so why their fixation with our 'safety'equipment?

[RickH]

Reminded me of something I saw on Facebook recently

Concrete

[Ron]

I got to the line and I quote 'it's a straight battle between vanity and safety' and had to turn it off.. ...

It got worse after that