Unbelievable Double Standards

[Mike Sales]

Nope. No sympathy at all for JSO. My sympathy is for anyone caught up in their protests and stopped from getting to work/hospital/etc.

Bigger picture? Since these Palestine supporting criminals were locked up in Glasgow there have been no more violent protests of this nature up here.

I may have missed reporting of the number of JSO or Palestine protesters who have previous convictions for violence. Are you able to help, please?

Meanwhile a few reports of key figures in Patriotic Platform, the organisation self described as comprising Christian patriots and has claimed it arranged the Dover 'protest'.

'Kevin Jones appeared at the very first meeting of the Patriot Platform, part of the batch of men “handpicked” by Thomas to represent their area. In 2018, the Thanet Patriots member pled guilty to dangerous driving, two counts of wounding and two counts of assault committed during a drug-fuelled frenzy. 
When his partner’s mother was called, he leapt from the bedroom window, before forcing his way back into the house. He grabbed a bread knife from the kitchen and began trying to stab himself, slashing his partner and her mother’s arms when they attempted to disarm him. There were children upstairs in the house at the time. Jones then ran from the house, got into his fathers car and crashed it into his partner’s home, narrowly missing pedestrians. The investigating officer claimed that Jones endangered many people’s lives during his rampage, and punched a paramedic in the face who was attempting to help him. Jones was 29 at the time, and was jailed for three years and four months.'

'Clark also boasts a violent criminal record, having received a suspended sentence after admitting to causing actual bodily harm in 2018. After a co-worker on a building site told him not to “be a dick”, Clark got out of his van and punched the man several times in the face. KentLive’s report on the case revealed that Clark had prior convictions for common assault and assaulting a police officer.' 

Oh, and this is the leader:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... kidnapper/

Given also the remarkable percentage of people convicted of offences during the Epping and Southampton 'protests' who had previous convictions for assault and domestic violence it does raise the question of whether these are more patriotic subjects than most, or alternatively disaffected people with a pre-disposition to violence looking for an opportunity to take out their anger on others?

This is a common characteristic of racist rioters. Forty per cent of the Southport mob had been reported for domestic violence.
Violence against the police is also common by these 'patriots'. A policewoman was bitten and stones and even a wheelybin thrown.

[pete75]

Oh surely it would save even more time to say: Carlton’s views are unacceptable to me and I forbid them to be uttered.

Yes, just as unacceptable as this lot's views. At least Mosley's bunch had the courage to show their faces.

[Nearholmer]

Yes, the Public Order Act 1936 was introduced specifically to deal with the blackshirts of the time.

[Mike Sales]

Yes, the Public Order Act 1936 was introduced specifically to deal with the blackshirts of the time.

I love P.G.Wodehouse's way of dealing with them. He lampooned the British Union of Fascists as Roderick Spode and the Blackshorts.
I seem to remember that Bertie Wooster and Jeeves tangled with Spode.
"As if Nature had intended to make a gorilla, and changed her mind at the last moment".

[irc]

Nope. No sympathy at all for JSO. My sympathy is for anyone caught up in their protests and stopped from getting to work/hospital/etc.

Bigger picture? Since these Palestine supporting criminals were locked up in Glasgow there have been no more violent protests of this nature up here.

I may have missed reporting of the number of JSO or Palestine protesters who have previous convictions for violence. Are you able to help, please?

Nope. My post referred to one violent protest in Glasgow.

As the Sheriff said ""Throwing pyrotechnics at areas where people are being evacuated to cannot be described as non violent," he said. "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wj144zd7po

Since they were imprisoned there have been no repeats. Deterrence in action?

[rjb]

Even these animals have their faces hidden. Not much sign of the protestors. Enjoy the rain.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19wA7XcGud/

[PH]

One of the primary functions of the police is to keep the peace. That often involves managing some unlawful activity, it always has. Back in the 90's, at the start of the illegal rave scene, it was understood that once enough people had gathered the police were not going to attempt to enter the site and close it down.
I don't accept this is an instance of double standards, I think the police action was tailored to the circumstances.

[mattheus]

It might save time to reread Carlton green’s views on the violence in Southport:

viewtopic.php?p=1877288#p1877288

Jonathan

Thank you j, a very useful clarification!

[mattheus]

It might save time to reread Carlton green's views on the violence in Southport:
[de-redacted for clarity:] viewtopic.php?p=1877288#p1877288

Oh surely it would save even more time to say: Carlton’s views are unacceptable to me and I forbid them to be uttered.

Leopards and spots come to mind. We're very open to hearing the views of leopards, I think it's even in the Forum Rules

[wheelyhappy99]

Nope. My post referred to one violent protest in Glasgow.

As the Sheriff said ""Throwing pyrotechnics at areas where people are being evacuated to cannot be described as non violent," he said. "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wj144zd7po

Since they were imprisoned there have been no repeats. Deterrence in action?

Repeating this doesn't add much to the sum of human knowledge. Since it doesn't seem likely that we will find out whether the protesters you cite had previous convictions can I ask a different one? Would you support arresting and prosecuting the protesters at Dover and Portsmouth suspected of criminal behaviour?

[Mike Sales]

Would you support arresting and prosecuting the protesters at Dover and Portsmouth suspected of criminal behaviour?

The BBC reports that police officers were injured and vehicles damaged at the Portsmouth riot.

[Nearholmer]

Wilful obstruction of the highway is an offence in itself, and I raised before the question of whether they might be considered to be wearing paramilitary clothing, which is another offence, let alone any violence, so yes, personally I’d certainly consider arrest and prosecution. Question might be though, whether that would make matters worse or better at this stage.

What will happen at some stage if fascist flashmobbing continue is that some of the hottest headed of the hot heads will go completely OTT in terms of violence or destruction …… if the people who organise it think they can keep it organised they don’t understand the sort of nutters that they are leading, but they possibly don’t think they can, and rather fancy the idea of it “all kicking off”.

[cycle tramp]

Wilful obstruction of the highway is an offence in itself, and I raised before the question of whether they might be considered to be wearing paramilitary clothing, which is another offence, let alone any violence, so yes, personally I’d certainly consider arrest and prosecution. Question might be though, whether that would make matters worse or better at this stage.

And that's a very good question. Whilst i tend to disagree with the late Margerat Thatcher, i do believe that she was right to deny terrorists (in the true-ist meaning of the word) their oxygen of publicity.
Arresting anyone from that group would have supported Nigel Farrage's narrative that only Reform were against illegal immigrants entering this country, and would have provided the press with the conflict that would have sold papers.
Further to this it would have played into people like Musk, who would have been only to happy to portray current British poltical parties as being opposed to freedom of expression...

..what we are seeing are the first pawns being moved in a very poltical game of chess which is destined to last up to our next general election.

And it is a very fine balance.... because if the protestors do loose their cool, then that could very well work against Farage.

(And if you do have a twitter account, you may wish to consider whether you really want to continue to support a clearly unwell person who curtrntly uses your interest as weapon to persicute people who happen not to be Elon Musk).

[pete75]

One of the primary functions of the police is to keep the peace. That often involves managing some unlawful activity, it always has. Back in the 90's, at the start of the illegal rave scene, it was understood that once enough people had gathered the police were not going to attempt to enter the site and close it down.
I don't accept this is an instance of double standards, I think the police action was tailored to the circumstances.

Depends on what a police force regards as acceptable standards. Very much doubt the French CRS would have regarded these protests as acceptable. Those involved would have rightfully been given a hell of a beating even if not arrested.

[PH]

Very much doubt the French CRS would have regarded these protests as acceptable.

As far as I'm aware, the French police don't operate in Dover. I don't see any relevance in the comparison.