Edwards wrote:....................
I recently bought a packet of peanuts that had the warning "Produced in a factory that prepares other nuts"........
There may be consumers who can eat peanuts, but are allergic to other nuts....trace quantities from cross contamination can be a problem.
Edwards wrote:...............
I have noticed that it is mostly the people that can avoid TO on their choice of bike that are the ones saying how bad it is..........
Unsurprising really. If you own bikes without overlap, you notice it when you ride a bike with overlap.
Unsurprisingly, I have noticed people who (say they) can't find a bike without overlap, also say overlap is no problem.
Edwards wrote:...............
Some of us realise that there will be this feature for the type of bike purchased and are not bothered at all. I am sure a lot of Audax and Sportive riders know about TO when they purchased the bike......................
For "feature" I would read "hazard". As most sorts of bikes, in most sizes, don't have to have overlap, I don't see why your indifference to overlap is a reason I should have to put up with it. You cant just assume anybody who buys a particular type of bike (specially un-tried) is happy to have overlap.
Edwards wrote:................
There are some bikes that are supposed to be great but a good percentage of the riding population will never find out, as the suppliers will only produce in larger sizes to avoid to avoid TO.
That may or may not be the case.
However, this thread was started by somebody who bought 2 STRAIGHT HANDLEBAR bikes, one MEDIUM size, one LARGE, and subsequently found they both have overlap.
The problem is the cycle industry RANDOMLY produces bikes with overlap.
The problem isn't experienced cyclists who want to ride bikes with overlap - as long as I don't have to.