Edwards wrote:I find it strange that there has been no mention of Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks................
That's another of my concerns Keith.
Edwards wrote:I find it strange that there has been no mention of Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks................
Karen Sutton wrote:....With regard to CRB checks, these are only necessary if an event or group is organised specifically for children.
4. Activities specifically run for and promoted to children
Children’s activities where the activity provider takes a duty of care over minors as part of its activities clearly fall within the scope of the Children’s Act and the organiser/leader should be accredited by a governing body (CTC or ANO), receive child protection awareness training and have a criminal records check.
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The activity provider and any volunteers assisting should make themselves fully aware of the provisions of “Policy and Procedures for the Protection of Children and Vulnerable Adults”. Its provisions are not repeated here.
5. Participation by children in general cycling activities.
This includes most common activity provided by local groups, in particular any regular weekly or monthly programme.
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However it must be recognised by activity providers, participants and their parents that these rides are public events for all ages and the duty of care that can be provided by the activity provider is only at a level of good practice for all ages. Child protection procedures are therefore only advisory and represent good practice. Leaders and organisers of rides which have regular child participation even if accompanied by parents are encouraged to familiarise themselves with “Policy and Procedures for the Protection of Children and Vulnerable Adults”
The activity provider must still have procedures for complaints and concerns to be raised by minors or their parents.
Edwards wrote:National Guidelines are not much use, if out of date and do not reflect the current legal position that has partly been caused by the conversion to a charity.
thirdcrank wrote:...So, unless the CTC tells you personally you need a CRB check and arranges for it ito be done, any procedural shortcomings are not yours...
gaz wrote:I would presume that CTC took legal advice before formulating it's current policy and that the review will reflect changes in both the law and best practice in establishing CTC's future policy.
gaz wrote:Scout activities are provided specifically for children. Where CTC activities are provided specifically for children CTC policy states the Officers involved should be CRB checked.
gaz wrote:thirdcrank wrote:...So, unless the CTC tells you personally you need a CRB check and arranges for it ito be done, any procedural shortcomings are not yours...
I think the question is at what level in the CTC does the responsibility rest for identifying who requries a CRB check and has this been deemed to be part of the Welfare Officer's role?
Edwards wrote:If they did then the advice was wrong the age has been 18 since 2002 no other ages are mentioned Why the error?
Edwards wrote:The page I linked to does not say anything about specific but states regular contact. Swimming clubs amongst others have sorted this out before now so why has it taken this long?
What does ‘working with children’ mean?
The definition of working with children is based on the concept of the ‘regulated position’ contained in the Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2000. If a job (paid or unpaid) falls within one of the categories of regulated position then it is classed as working with children. Regulated positions include:
•Any employment in schools, childrens’ homes, day care premises where children are present Caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of children Unsupervised contact with children
•Other positions which give the kind of access or influence which could put children at risk if held by a disqualified person (eg management committee members)
Organisations are likely to fall into the definition of working with children include those which:
•Run youth clubs Organise or arrange facilities or activities for children Offer counselling to children Run out of school play clubs
•Run play groups
Edwards wrote:So what is the definition of regular?
Karen Sutton wrote:...............Perhaps this question could be directed at the member of CTC staff who stated that Child Protection issues were part of the Welfare Officer's remit? JohnW, as you were the forummer who received this information could you go back to your source and ask for clarification on this.............................