Mick F wrote:You become part of the bike.What Are The Benefits Of Attaching Your Feet To The Pedals ?
You become a piece of the whole.
Man and machine in complete harmony.
All hot air
Just don't forget the knee pain thingummy.....................
Mick F wrote:You become part of the bike.What Are The Benefits Of Attaching Your Feet To The Pedals ?
You become a piece of the whole.
Man and machine in complete harmony.
foxyrider wrote:Most peoples issues with step in pedals seem to relate to confidence and poor set up.
foxyrider wrote:advantages
smoother pedalling action
improved safety
disadvantages
?
foxyrider wrote:Most peoples issues with step in pedals seem to relate to confidence and poor set up. I struggle to ride more than a few yards without being clipped in. I used toeclips for many years (and have the scars to prove it!) but eventually gave in and started using step ins. I've been using them for @ 25 years now and whilst the original 'fixed' cleats could be an issue with knee rotation, the 'multi release' spd cleats and extra float road cleats have pretty much sorted that out, setting the spring tension correctly for you is important. My commute bikes have lower tension than my 'performance' machines, in fact my carbon play thing has fixed tension pedals but with extra float cleats its no more difficult to disengage. The issue of release in a fall - well if set correctly you should be free of the bike almost as soon as things go awry.
They do provide more efficiency in your pedalling on action, you can push and pull for a full 360 degrees, you lose @ 90 degrees with toe clips and flat pedals give @ 160 degrees of useful stroke giving a jerky action.
Most leisure (as opposed to road race style) shoes use a recessed cleat fixing so you can walk unhindered in the shoes.
Regardless of your riding you can benefit from using step ins but much like any 'new' technology, power looms, steam engines, aeroplanes, integrated shifters - there will be people who will argue against them based on, well usually little or no direct evidence for their arguments. Step in pedals are not always appropriate, toe clips can be useful on multi use bikes but much like drop bars and tyres with enough air not everyone wants to get the advantages as everyone else is clearly wrong.
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Knee pain - Just how do you set them up staticly for dynamic use
Lack of sole support across the whole width of foot - Hot foot.................
gregoryoftours wrote:and I can and do pull on the upstroke. You can get quite a bit of force on the upstroke, it's not just your hamstring pulling, just as it's not only your bicep doing the lifting when you pick something heavy up.
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:
disadvantages
a) Falling off - inability to unclip reliably.
b) Knee pain - Just how do you set them up staticly for dynamic use
c)Lack of sole support across the whole width of foot - Hot foot.
Occasionally I have a slight pain in my left knee (many years of using a Land Rover clutch maybe?? or just age??). To ease it I find it very useful to be able to pull up with the right leg, so I don't push down so hard with the left. Also pulling up uses different muscles - always beneficial. You can do that with clips or cleats, but with flats there's no choice but to push.kwackers wrote:gregoryoftours wrote:and I can and do pull on the upstroke. You can get quite a bit of force on the upstroke, it's not just your hamstring pulling, just as it's not only your bicep doing the lifting when you pick something heavy up.
In short bursts you *may* be able to pull up and get a bit more power. On long runs there's no point, you may as well simply develop your quads more and keep the forces down in the way your legs are designed to work. The limit is the amount of oxygen you can get to the legs to power whatever muscles you've got.
Further, every attempt to measure this so called 'pulling up' has always shown it to be a myth, turns out other than in short bursts when you 'pull up' you're barely taking the weight off your leg, let alone providing any 'real' power.
kwackers wrote:In short bursts you *may* be able to pull up and get a bit more power. On long runs there's no point, you may as well simply develop your quads more and keep the forces down in the way your legs are designed to work. The limit is the amount of oxygen you can get to the legs to power whatever muscles you've got.
Further, every attempt to measure this so called 'pulling up' has always shown it to be a myth, turns out other than in short bursts when you 'pull up' you're barely taking the weight off your leg, let alone providing any 'real' power.
MikeF wrote:Advantages of clips (and clipless):-
a) if you stop with one foot on the ground you can easily pull up the other pedal to a good position to start again. Without clips you need to put your toe under the pedal to pull it up or some other faff so you can't start as quickly or easily as you want eg at a junction.
b) if you go over a violent bump your foot won't "fly" off the pedal as can sometimes happen. This can cause unintentional wobble or worse.
c) you won't be able to pedal with your instep or point your feet in twisted directions (which I've seen some cyclists do).
Mick F wrote:Knee pain?????
Don't make me laugh.
Adjust the cleats. They have float too !!!!
Any problem with knees is to do with incorrect setup, not the pedals.
So buy good ones then.rfryer wrote:Not strictly true - some clipless systems are better than others.