I think the M is not missing. Compare "I have been contacted".Audax67 wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 7:44amThe missing M is as dodgy as the apostrophe. If they'd phrased it as "both of whom have been contacted" they'd probably have got it right, but "who have both been contacted" probably felt funny, if it even crossed their minds.thirdcrank wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 12:14pmhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-64931442A man has been rescued from the River Severn in the early hours of Sunday morning.
The incident happened at English Bridge, Shrewsbury, at around 03:13 GMT.
Shropshire Fire and Rescue Service said the man was rescued by it's water rescue technicians.
The service said they then left the casualty at around 03:40 GMT in the care of the ambulance and police, who have both been contacted.
English Language - what "Does your head in" ??
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Good point. I think my head has just been done in.Bmblbzzz wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 11:18amI think the M is not missing. Compare "I have been contacted".Audax67 wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 7:44amThe missing M is as dodgy as the apostrophe. If they'd phrased it as "both of whom have been contacted" they'd probably have got it right, but "who have both been contacted" probably felt funny, if it even crossed their minds.thirdcrank wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 12:14pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-64931442
...The service said they then left the casualty at around 03:40 GMT in the care of the ambulance and police, who have both been contacted.
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Correct - "whom" would be wrong as the subject of a passive verb, which it is here.Bmblbzzz wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 11:18amI think the M is not missing. Compare "I have been contacted".
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They've reworded the article!Audax67 wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 7:44amThe missing M is as dodgy as the apostrophe. If they'd phrased it as "both of whom have been contacted" they'd probably have got it right, but "who have both been contacted" probably felt funny, if it even crossed their minds.thirdcrank wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 12:14pmhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-64931442A man has been rescued from the River Severn in the early hours of Sunday morning.
The incident happened at English Bridge, Shrewsbury, at around 03:13 GMT.
Shropshire Fire and Rescue Service said the man was rescued by it's water rescue technicians.
The service said they then left the casualty at around 03:40 GMT in the care of the ambulance and police, who have both been contacted.
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Great, a dropped M was probably the least of my concerns.
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Do we want to clear up both of who/whom while we're at it?
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Has the negative meaning of fulsome left the building?
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I've checked my Fourth edition of Fowler and Butterfield's entry is too long to quote here.
I think I'll contact the Shropshire Fire and Rescue Service's duty greengrocer to see if they can mobilise the Water Rescue Technicians
(NB - I think that your post originally referred to "sinking without trace." That's why my reply seems not to what it says now.)
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It did, but it shouldn't have. Because we have literature recording its previous usage.
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thirdcrank wrote: ↑13 Mar 2023, 3:55pmI've checked my Fourth edition of Fowler and Butterfield's entry is too long to quote here.
I think I'll contact the Shropshire Fire and Rescue Service's duty greengrocer to see if they can mobilise the Water Rescue Technicians
(NB - I think that your post originally referred to "sinking without trace." That's why my reply seems not to what it says now.)
That's the entire entry in the second edition, 1965 reprinted 1988.fulsome. Though the OED recognizes only the pronunciation fŭl-, fool- is now general.
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My first edition of Fowler only has
The latter having a character tie (?) ⁀ over the oo which I lack the skill or inclination to reproduce there)
fulsome The OED recognises only the pronunciation fŭl (not fool-)
The latter having a character tie (?) ⁀ over the oo which I lack the skill or inclination to reproduce there)
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It's like that but upside down. I also couldn't work out how to reproduce it here.thirdcrank wrote: ↑14 Mar 2023, 11:42am My first edition of Fowler only has
fulsome The OED recognises only the pronunciation fŭl (not fool-)
The latter having a character tie (?) ⁀ over the oo which I lack the skill or inclination to reproduce there)