Frame Colour

[Brucey]

I haven't decided what colour it is in the second conservatory photo......its either bleen or grue.....

the distinction between blue and green is as much a cultural and linguistic one as it is to do with wavelengths, hue and saturation. There is an interesting article here;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_of_blue_and_green_in_various_languages

'grue' is apparently a term used when discussing this....

FWIW the colour of the OP's bike in flat daylight looks a bit like Bianchi Blue (or Green..) i.e. what some folk call Celeste but with a sparkle to it. It might not be what was wanted but it could be worse!

[edit; I forgot to mention this before and maybe it isn't relevant, but years ago I bought a lightly-used frameset from a good builder. I couldn't afford to buy new at the time so I couldn't afford to be fussy about the colour, and the one I ended up with certainly wasn't a colour that I'd have chosen. However, the frame was lovely to ride and fitted me well so it was 'a keeper' and I still have it. If I ever have it resprayed, I might not change the colour of it now despite my original misgivings.]

cheers

[Des49]

It is why people use checkers like this in the scene to white balance correctly.

But as Samuel states, this is only the beginning of the whole colour management process.

[Bensons]

They are sending a swatch to compare it to, I wish I had known I could have had a swatch sent before I ordered it, we were advised to look online. We will see, first photo was in my kitchen with LED spotlights. BJ think it could be in the 'normal' range of colour differences from monitor to product.

Anyway, it could be worse, now that I have got used to the fact that it does not remotely match my expectations I am not cringing when I glance at it!

Colin, I had both top tube and head tube extended, my husband had some changes to his bike too. You are right, it will probably still be the be best frame/bike I have had. My husband loves his BJ bike.

pwa - that is what I did at Dave Yates, lots of tubes sprayed in every colour to choose from and I am delighted with my Galaxy. We were considering Argos for our thorn tandem respray as Dave's oven isn't big enough.

I suppose it will always look better than Mr B's thorn club tour, I can take some consolation in that.

[Samuel D]

I wish I had known I could have had a swatch sent before I ordered it, we were advised to look online.

That was bad advice, of course, and Bob Jackson should not be giving it. But as is so often the case with these things, their expertise lies elsewhere (making beautiful frames in this case). It is a rare company that excels at every peripheral duty in its line of business.

Still, posting an untagged JPEG of photographed colour swatches is practically inviting trouble. Surely they’ve encountered these problems before?

first photo was in my kitchen with LED spotlights.

Those are likely to be very far from daylight balanced. And you’ll usually be gazing at the frame in daylight. I’d ignore what it looks like in the kitchen.

For what it’s worth, I think the frame is gorgeous as it appears in your conservatory photos. It doesn’t look Disney at all to me. I’d ride it and I’m no princess!

However, if you’re unhappy with it, perhaps you should get it changed from the outset, whether at Bob Jackson’s expense or your own if they haven’t made a mistake* or cannot be persuaded they have.



* Beyond telling customers to choose colours from an online image without a colour-profile tag, that is.

[Bensons]

My advice was from my local shop Samuel, same as given to my husband earlier in the year. I gather that the only way to get a non standard frame is to go through a trusted LBS. Maybe that is not quite right but my tall lanky husband was directed to our nearest trusted supplier when he enquired directly about a frame in the spring (he knew a standard frame wouldn't be any good for him).

You can understand why though can't you, someone (clueless like me) buying it online and filling in a custom made frame form with all sorts of odd numbers! Imagine how easily that could go wrong.

I have decided to live with it if the swatch is the same colour, for now, maybe I will have it resprayed next winter. They will not do it FOC if the swatch matches (fair enough I suppose).

As I said earlier, I think it was just the initial shock of the colour being very far removed from my expectations. My husband hasn't been home for more than a week so he has only seen the photos - I agree that I could live with it in daylight, but I wouldn't have chosen that colour, ever. It was late afternoon when I picked it up and I really didn't like it at all. It was Sunday morning before I saw it in daylight.

[Samuel D]

The whole thing is a bit of a pity.

If a builder offers a great variety of colours, as Bob Jackson does, they really should try harder to communicate those colours to customers. At the very least, actual painted tubes should be photographed under hard and soft light of good colour quality by a professional photographer and posted online in a suitable colour space, tagged accordingly. That way, colour-savvy customers could view the images with some expectation of accuracy.

There should be warnings everywhere in boldface type that the colours WILL NOT match unless you’re running a colour-managed display system (and even then there will be minor variations).

Furthermore, colours could be matched to Pantone colours and other reference standards.

Best of all would be to place a selection of painted tubes at key locations all over the country, within transport range of most potential customers. With a bit of cleverness this need not cost a fortune.

If only I were a frame-builder! (Err…)

[Chat Noir]

Hmm - however I look at the pictures it is consistently peppermint on my screen but maybe that's because the colour is reasonably familiar to me.

But, the resulting paint job is actually beautiful, especially with the barbers pole on the seat tube, the contrasting colours and the lug-lining. The choice for the paint job is pretty special! Looks a great frame and not a million miles from my friend's old Tom Board, complete with canti brakes.

BTW afraid I did mention to her about the colour difficulties you're having but not at all insulted and simply said 'I love my bike and I love the colour', which is alright then and, who knows, maybe it'll grow on you!

[531colin]

.......... I gather that the only way to get a non standard frame is to go through a trusted LBS..........
You can understand why though can't you, someone (clueless like me) buying it online and filling in a custom made frame form with all sorts of odd numbers! Imagine how easily that could go wrong.....

"back in the day" when I bought my BJ you could just breeze into the shop and they would build what you wanted. I noticed some time ago that had disappeared from their website, and i think I know why.....
If the customer specifies the frame angles, size, top tube length and fork offset, they have also specified the front centre......if they then complain to Trading Standards about toe overlap, I'm reasonably certain that Trading Standards wouldn't have a clue, and would probably uphold the customer's complaint.....leaving the builder with a non-standard frame to sell and a resounding loss.

...........Colin, I had both top tube and head tube extended,...............

....that sounds like "one size up, with a dropped top tube"......

[foxyrider]

i wouldn't have taken it from the shop - its nowhere close.

I always supply a swatch/sample of the colour i want when getting resprays after being caught out once, i wanted ivory and got well it was more like cheap custard! Had to get the frame resprayed again before i could bring myself to touch it!

Good luck, i hope you end up with what you want.

[Bensons]

Well, Mr B is home and thinks it very Bianchi. He doesn't like the cable guides either Colin and says they can be removed on respray although he doesn't have a problem with the dropouts, prefers them in fact.

He knows about the things I am not that interested in including colour profiling and is still surprised at the difference and BJ's webpage set up - I suppose his success with his frame earlier on which came out just the way he expected lulled us into a false sense of security.

This is the other colour scheme - oxford and cream - just as expected. Maybe that is easier to get right photography wise though as an enamel.

[fastpedaller]

This is the other colour scheme - oxford and cream - just as expected. Maybe that is easier to get right photography wise though as an enamel.

I guess that's Oxford Blue - Interesting example, as I found when trying to match it to my car that there are umpteen different Oxford Blues (well that's what happened when I tried to buy some). Similarly there are umpteen British Racing Greens.
If only manufacturers/suppliers would use the recognised standard colours. eg Oxford Blue BS381 105

[Bensons]

I suppose what I meant was that it was a good representation of what we had seen on our screens and that we (well my husband) was fairly happy with the end result ..... unlike the green which is not at all what we expected and rather than the vintage looking colour someone mentioned up thread (which was sort of similar to my expectations) I have something with a very different looking (to us) colour.

I am sure it is going to match the swatch and I will be stuck with it. Hopefully I will ride it and love it and all this will become secondary. Never again though, any resprays will be done Dave Yates style, by looking at a painted tube!

[Bensons]

The swatch has just arrived and it is a match for the bike. My husband is at home tomorrow, he will be very busy.

[Samuel D]

Building it into a bicycle, I suppose? Hey, enjoy it! I still think the colour is gorgeous. And when you finally respray it, it will be like getting a new bicycle all over again.

It’s a bit off-topic, but did Bob Jackson charge much for customising the geometry through your local bike shop? Do you know what exactly is allowed to be customised?

[MGate]

Sorry to hear of your journey with this one. Just to 'big up' Arthur Caygill who also do resprays - they recently did my Caygill Road frame that was in a poor state, mind you to keep things simple I went for the original colour scheme of 'pearlescent white' and black lug lining circa 1994... now the only question is rebuild, new component build or retro build? Winter project!