Spa Cycles Steel Tourer

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beeblemaster wrote: same paint vulnerability with my 2015 bought Audax frame)


No problem, it's just come back to mind again! Gave it a decent clean end of last week, rebuilt the Rr wheel yesterday and couldn't help notice yet more paint dissolving and corrosion coming through. Have to say I don't want to waste money on it, so will probably simply slap a bit of paint on as part of the routine maintenance package or check and see if the agricultural merchants do a bit of painting in their spare time (NB. Obviously harvesting is starting, so it'd have to be a December job!)

Though the only other steel bike I've ever had, an Emmelle Clipper GT 12.6 (1985-2005) never had an issue with corrosion and the paint work still looked shiny and new on disposal (NB. Despite being kept in the garden shed for 2-3 years).
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Some interesting responses from Spa users here made me do an overdue examination of my Spa Tourer today. I have a couple of questions I'm hoping someone will know...... 1) Are they powder coated or painted? 2) has the process changed? mine also seems quite soft, and doesn't appear to be powder coat.
My tourer is 2014 model. I'd noticed some paint wear on the headtube where the gear outers touch, and should really have dealt with it before now :oops: Nothing too problematic, and after some dabs of paint have dried for several days I'll apply some stick-on velcro 'fabric bit' which should give a long-term fix. of more concern was some rust developing where the top tube cable stop are brazed - It looks like this is due to sweat contanimation or brazing flux not being cleaned well enough, or indeed a combination of both. there was also a bit of rust where the rear brake outer touches the top tube after the rear cable stop - this was the most affected. These 3 areas have created filoform rust, so I got to work with some wet/dry, cleaned them with panel wipe and applied some re oxide primer. some undercoat and gloss will follow. Another bit of velcro will be added on the top tube/rear cable outer rub, and some thick wax or waxoyl at the cable stops. not too bad after 6 years (rarely seen rain), though not what I expected, as I thought lower/side mounted stops were a lot less prone to sweat corrosion than top-mounted outer cable guides of old. Some rain may have helped re any sweat? - I should add this wouldn't prevent me buying another Spa :) .
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Stripped the Spa Tourer down yesterday, paint work of exceptionally poor quality. My Giant Road bike, 22yr's age, tens of thousands of more miles than the Spa, still looks like new. The Spa? Corrosion evident on the inner surfaces of the frame, this on a bicycle which has hardly ever been used outdoors in wet weather, kept indoors. Paint work has pretty much failed
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I noticed rust on my alloy seat post after removing it from the wayfarer barely 6 months after building it up. And that was despite me flooding the frame with oil before building it.
It handled like a limp noodle too and had all the get up and go of a squished squirrel.
A few weeks ago I decided I wanted a new touring frame. The Rove was considered. Then I remembered the horrors I had with the wayfarer. Bought a surly bridge club instead. For less money. From a different shop.
£600 for a frame commissioned by a bike shop? I think not.
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Vantage wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 7:21pm brilliant brilliant fantastically brilliant bike.
Is that the same bike?
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Vantage wrote: 11 May 2024, 12:13pm I noticed rust on my alloy seat post after removing it from the wayfarer barely 6 months after building it up.
Was the Spa frame ED coated? I know they are now, but I don't know when that started. If so, it's exactly the same rustproofing finish as all current Surly frames.
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PH wrote: 12 May 2024, 1:20pm Was the Spa frame ED coated?
All the Wayfarer frames have an EPD coating. However, there was apparently bare metal with no EPD coating or paint under the seat post clamp:
Vantage wrote: 29 Jul 2019, 8:11pm No seatpost clamp issues although I have trimmed the seat tube by 1.5", which I know scuppers the warranty. Lots of seat tube sticking up above the top tube looks dead stupid to me...so I fixed it. :?
(From viewtopic.php?p=1380339#p1380339.)

Edit - It occurs to me that the amount of seat tube protrusion was probably because that was the minimum total seat tube length permissible for that particular tube. In other words, butted tubes are thicker at the ends and there will be a minimum length of the thicker part that needs to be retained.
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Jezrant wrote: 12 May 2024, 11:00am
Vantage wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 7:21pm brilliant brilliant fantastically brilliant bike.
Is that the same bike?
Same as gbnz's? Yep.
I didn't have it long though so can't say if it would have had the same issues.
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PH wrote: 12 May 2024, 1:20pm
Vantage wrote: 11 May 2024, 12:13pm I noticed rust on my alloy seat post after removing it from the wayfarer barely 6 months after building it up.
Was the Spa frame ED coated? I know they are now, but I don't know when that started. If so, it's exactly the same rustproofing finish as all current Surly frames.
I noticed that when looking up the frame specs. It's a worry for me. The Surly arrives today! :D
I believe the Tourer also had ED paint coating it. It's pretty tough as a paint but the problem is, it's really thin. One scratch and it's bare metal straight away. The insides of the frames I had had a white primer of some sort but I'm not sure how far into the tubes that went.
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slowster wrote: 12 May 2024, 1:34pm
Vantage wrote: 29 Jul 2019, 8:11pm No seatpost clamp issues although I have trimmed the seat tube by 1.5", which I know scuppers the warranty. Lots of seat tube sticking up above the top tube looks dead stupid to me...so I fixed it. :?
(From viewtopic.php?p=1380339#p1380339.)

Edit - It occurs to me that the amount of seat tube protrusion was probably because that was the minimum total seat tube length permissible for that particular tube. In other words, butted tubes are thicker at the ends and there will be a minimum length of the thicker part that needs to be retained.
I didn't check this at the time but Reynolds say it isn't an issue.
https://www.reynoldstechnology.biz/faqs ... ed-tubing/
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