what will you be doing on Referendum Day?
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Tangled Metal
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I think I will be celebrating. I mean we can't really vote leave surely? That has to be a joke.
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I'll vote in the morning (as directed by my 17 year old daughter, ignoring my own views if they are different) then go to work in the afternoon. I'll watch TV coverage for an hour or so when the polls have closed, just to see if there is a clear prediction.
I want a Leave vote but I have always expected the electorate to be intimidated into a Remain vote and I'm fully resigned to that. Life will go on. I'll be glad that it is all over.
(I'm a bit unhappy that the Brexit campaign is being charicatured as a racist hate campaign. Farage may give that impression but he doesn't speak for all of us, and I've seen and heard very little anti-immigrant stuff. Out on the street I've heard nobody say anything negative about immigrants. The opposite is true. People say immigrants are great and do a good job, but the concern is about numbers. If there is a bigoted tone it is just from the UKIP side, and UKIP are not speaking for most Leave supporters).
I want a Leave vote but I have always expected the electorate to be intimidated into a Remain vote and I'm fully resigned to that. Life will go on. I'll be glad that it is all over.
(I'm a bit unhappy that the Brexit campaign is being charicatured as a racist hate campaign. Farage may give that impression but he doesn't speak for all of us, and I've seen and heard very little anti-immigrant stuff. Out on the street I've heard nobody say anything negative about immigrants. The opposite is true. People say immigrants are great and do a good job, but the concern is about numbers. If there is a bigoted tone it is just from the UKIP side, and UKIP are not speaking for most Leave supporters).
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One prediction that we can be fairly confident about, is that it'll be micturating down with rain. So after a sodden trip to the polling booth, it'll probably be back home, shower, change clothes, and stay in....
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
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Tangled Metal
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You're being a bit presumptive over the intimidation into voting remain there. I've happen to consider the remain camp had almost all the arguments but the leave camp just had the migrant issue/fear and the accusation of "project fear". IMHO It's the Brexit camp that plays on people's fear over the immigration issue such as migrant attacks on British women in the style that happened in Germany.
IMHO remain has repeatedly asked questions of the leave camp but any answers were highly questionable rhetoric. Whilst there's been spin and lies on both sides it seems Farage and crew accepted things when caught out but still used the lies that £350 million figure is one example.
So I find your "intimidated into voting remain" comment wrong and IMHO shows a disrespect for those with opposing views.
PS you want project fear take Farage's refugee poster. The distasteful hypocrite.
IMHO remain has repeatedly asked questions of the leave camp but any answers were highly questionable rhetoric. Whilst there's been spin and lies on both sides it seems Farage and crew accepted things when caught out but still used the lies that £350 million figure is one example.
So I find your "intimidated into voting remain" comment wrong and IMHO shows a disrespect for those with opposing views.
PS you want project fear take Farage's refugee poster. The distasteful hypocrite.
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It's not characterised as a hate campaign, it IS a hate campaign!!
Even Boris, who promised from the off not to engage in any divisive campaigning on immigration has went all out for it.
Project Hate has failed. That'll be the only talking point come Friday.
Even Boris, who promised from the off not to engage in any divisive campaigning on immigration has went all out for it.
Project Hate has failed. That'll be the only talking point come Friday.
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I see hate coming from both sides with most of the hatred directed towards Farage.
It is unattractive even then.
Back on the street, my neighbours and I had civilised debates treating each others views with respect and listening to what they actually said. It appears some people just are not capable of that and are trying to impose their view through manipulation and fabrication of issues.
The way that my friends are swinging was fairly simple to predict, those of us with a cross border dimension to our lives were mostly remain, those who see the UK as the border of their community were mostly leave. Views on immigration or race (not Nationality) didnt seem to differ much between the sides. EU and UK immigration policies are not much different in real life.
I often heard that it was unfair of the UK to give preferential treatment to Europeans over the rest of the world.
It is just a matter of where you want to draw your borders. Not racism v world solidarity.
It is unattractive even then.
Back on the street, my neighbours and I had civilised debates treating each others views with respect and listening to what they actually said. It appears some people just are not capable of that and are trying to impose their view through manipulation and fabrication of issues.
The way that my friends are swinging was fairly simple to predict, those of us with a cross border dimension to our lives were mostly remain, those who see the UK as the border of their community were mostly leave. Views on immigration or race (not Nationality) didnt seem to differ much between the sides. EU and UK immigration policies are not much different in real life.
I often heard that it was unfair of the UK to give preferential treatment to Europeans over the rest of the world.
It is just a matter of where you want to draw your borders. Not racism v world solidarity.
Yma o Hyd
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since I dont have a TV anymore I am excused the tv-ref-fest that will inevitably be on the tv. I do wonder if there will be a vote in and out counter that will in real time announce the results. I may go to china town and have a meal...
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On Friday, after a leave vote, shouldnt we be planning the household fortifications, buying gas masks, stockpiling food, digging bunkers and converting all of our remaining cash to gold.
If remain win then I will be looking at enlisting in some language courses, not sure which, should I be polishing up my German or learning Polish or even Syrian/Arabic?
If remain win then I will be looking at enlisting in some language courses, not sure which, should I be polishing up my German or learning Polish or even Syrian/Arabic?
Yma o Hyd
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meic wrote:I see hate coming from both sides with most of the hatred directed towards Farage.
It is unattractive even then.
The worst hatred came from the Farage side of the political spectrum and was directed against Jo Cox. Some of them are still at it if the actions of this Farage look alike are anything to go by.
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/tory-cou ... story.html
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I like how Fargae and UKIP still get implicated even when it is a Tory Councillor. 
Yma o Hyd
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If the result is "leave", then we will be gathering the supporting bumph for our application to become French.
If the result is "stay" (and why was that simple, punchy word not chosen over the weak-wristed "remain", which evokes funeral homes and two handfuls of white dust shut in a urn of brass?) then we will breathe sighs of relief, then go on gathering the supporting bumph for our application to become French.
And I might just look into getting an Irish passport.
If the result is "stay" (and why was that simple, punchy word not chosen over the weak-wristed "remain", which evokes funeral homes and two handfuls of white dust shut in a urn of brass?) then we will breathe sighs of relief, then go on gathering the supporting bumph for our application to become French.
And I might just look into getting an Irish passport.
Have we got time for another cuppa?
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meic wrote:I like how Fargae and UKIP still get implicated even when it is a Tory Councillor.
As I said the Farage side of the spectrum - and you're not going to try and say that chap isn't on the very close to UKIP side of the Tory party are you?
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
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Is there a side of the Tory party not close to UKIP?
I reckon you could drag out quite a few Labour (though not New Labour) Councillors who would "speak" similarly in a mirror version of this.
I reckon you could drag out quite a few Labour (though not New Labour) Councillors who would "speak" similarly in a mirror version of this.
Yma o Hyd
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meic wrote:Is there a side of the Tory party not close to UKIP?
I reckon you could drag out quite a few Labour (though not New Labour) Councillors who would "speak" similarly in a mirror version of this.
Do you really think the likes of Ken Clarke, John Major, David Cameron, Michael Heseltine etc are close to UKIP.
I dragged nothing out - the story was published in local and national press.
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker