what will you be doing on Referendum Day?

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Do you really think the likes of Ken Clarke, John Major, David Cameron, Michael Heseltine etc are close to UKIP.

Yes, they just differ on the subject of Europe, more so between the four of them than between the edges of them and UKIP, both Cameron and Major have played the Eurosceptic and denied us full rights as Europeans.

I didnt mean you personally had dragged this out, or could drag out a Labour alternative, which isnt possible anyway because there isnt a mirror situation of this at the moment.
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Friday will either be a normal day OR the BRexit apocalypse will have started . . .

Probably with torrential thuderstorms and flooding over the nearest part of the UK to Europe . . . followed by plague and pestilence across the land.

Er, hang on a minute . .. what is that ORANGE weather warning over Kent . . .. I hope the EU will cancel that if UK stays in :?
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It has been said that when we leave the EU, we can pick our own weather. :lol:
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meic wrote:...with most of the hatred directed towards Farage.
And why may that be, one may ask? See here:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ns-monster
Read in particular the eighth paragraph down (just below the second picture of Sked). Note that this article came out more than two years ago, long before the ref. campaign got under way.

OK, so you may well argue, as indeed the article makes clear: it's one man's word against another. Of course the odious Farage would deny ever having uttered those words. To echo Mandy Rice-Davis's immortal words: "well he would, wouldn't he". I know which of them I'd prefer to believe.

Some people have been suggesting, if the vote goes Leave, Cameron will be toast. Well, I'd like to think, whichever way it goes, it ought to be Porridge for Farage.....
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Forgive me saying it, but as a Leave supporter I believe that dismissing the concerns of people like me as part of a Hate Campaign, based on bigotry, is narrow minded and insulting. Most of us have nothing to do with Farage, don't like him and have never voted for him. I have listened to Remain supporters and respect their views. It would be nice if that were reciprocated.

I know TV does not always give you a proper perspective, but over the last few days I have seen quite a few members of the public say that their heart says Leave but fears about the potential economic consequences will make them choose Remain. That, I think, will swing it. Better the Devil you know...
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661-Pete wrote:
meic wrote:...with most of the hatred directed towards Farage.
And why may that be, one may ask? See here:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ns-monster
Read in particular the eighth paragraph down (just below the second picture of Sked). Note that this article came out more than two years ago, long before the ref. campaign got under way.

OK, so you may well argue, as indeed the article makes clear: it's one man's word against another. Of course the odious Farage would deny ever having uttered those words. To echo Mandy Rice-Davis's immortal words: "well he would, wouldn't he". I know which of them I'd prefer to believe.

Some people have been suggesting, if the vote goes Leave, Cameron will be toast. Well, I'd like to think, whichever way it goes, it ought to be Porridge for Farage.....

So you do agree that there is hatred coming from both sides and Farage is a prime target of it?

I think that some of you are unaware of or have forgotten the environment of our upbringing in the 1970's.
I am not hating somebody for failing to have followed my "path of enlightenment" and still thinking in the old fashioned ways. Remember the ignorant, the uneducated and even the racists still have the same vote as the rest of us! You can brow-beat them outside of the Polling station but when they get in, they can vote how they like.
Personally I will argue the point with them fairly, respectfully and in a way they can understand, then some of them may change their minds, failing that just wait till my generation all die off of old age.
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meic wrote:So you do agree that there is hatred coming from both sides and Farage is a prime target of it?

I think that some of you are unaware of or have forgotten the environment of our upbringing in the 1970's.
I never said there wasn't any hatred. And I'm not about to deny that I loathe Farage and his henchmen with a vengeance.

My upbringing was in the 1950s and 1960s, as it happens. But plenty of nasty stuff was about, even then. I was too young to understand the full impact of the Notting Hill riots back in 1958, but I certainly remember the infamous Smethwick campaign in the 1964 General Election. For those who don't know: it was a vicious and vitriolic racist campaign aimed at unseating the incoming Labour Government's Foreign Secretary-designate, Patrick Gordon Walker. In which it succeeded. The best-remembered, most infamous and ugliest slogan of that campaign, I will not repeat here, but you can easily find it by googling.

Later on, in parliament, Harold Wilson referred to the Tory incumbent of Smethwick as a "leper" - a remark for which he was reprimanded (but not censured) by the Speaker. I'm inclined to take Wilson's side.

And moving on the the 1970s - yes it was nasty then, too. The National Front had just been spawned, and held regular marches through Bradford (where I was living at the time).

And then we came on to 1979..... need I say more? :evil:
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pwa wrote:Forgive me saying it, but as a Leave supporter I believe that dismissing the concerns of people like me as part of a Hate Campaign, based on bigotry, is narrow minded and insulting. Most of us have nothing to do with Farage, don't like him and have never voted for him. I have listened to Remain supporters and respect their views. It would be nice if that were reciprocated.
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I suppose there are people on both sides of the divide that some of us detest (I mean politicians, not forum members! :lol: ) but we just have to make our own minds up, and we shouldn't be tarred with the same brush as anyone else.

What will I be doing on Referendum Day? Worrying about the future, but then I do that every day. I think I know which way I'll vote but I have no clue as to why; I just feel I have a moral obligation to make a complete and utter guess, which is probably what will sway the result one way or t'other.

There's democracy for you. :(
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Note to self : Give Jack Boots a thorough polish for Friday's Rally
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Trail Beater wrote:Note to self : Give Jack Boots a thorough polish for Friday's Rally
Leave poor Jack out of this! :lol:
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pwa wrote:Forgive me saying it, but as a Leave supporter I believe that dismissing the concerns of people like me as part of a Hate Campaign, based on bigotry, is narrow minded and insulting.



Yes but a lot of leavers are voting thus because they dislike immigrants and immigration - if that isn't bigotry it's damned close.
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pete75 wrote:
pwa wrote:Forgive me saying it, but as a Leave supporter I believe that dismissing the concerns of people like me as part of a Hate Campaign, based on bigotry, is narrow minded and insulting.



Yes but a lot of leavers are voting thus because they dislike immigrants and immigration - if that isn't bigotry it's damned close.


I think a minority of Leave supporters are voting that way because they dislike immigrants. The majority only dislike excessive immigration, not the people who happen to be the immigrants. In my discussions with other Leave supporters I have not heard a single bigoted comment. Disliking excessive immigration is not bigoted.
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