Scotland comes to the rescue?

[Trail Beater]

We're about to get the first French members of the family. Not through marriage just application for citizenship.

My parents are looking at emigrating too. We're joking about moving to.Scotland in the hope of independence. Partner will get work up there but I'm not sure I will.

Thing is I'm not sure I like my country now. Little England won I feel.

Probably just how you feel at present,but I'm sure you will find Little Scotland a nice place
Whereas,I would be eyeing up England to move to .
The Lake District being a particular favourite.

[syklist]

Anyhoo ,Wee Nicky is onto massive Plums if she thinks the EU will give her special treatment.

All the Scottish independence campaign needs is for the EU to have given public assurances that an independent Scotland will be on a fast track to EU membership. That's not much in terms of "special treatment" is it?

The EU are savvy enough to know that Brexit is not going to be solved quickly by the UK itself. So they having a stable independent Scotland within the EU might be regarded as something worth promoting.

[al_yrpal]

I think all those British people who dont like what Britain is and want to go should go and make a life for themselves elsewhere. If Scotland wants independence they should have it. What we need now is for everyone in Britain to pull together and make our new situation a success.

Al

[Paulatic]

If Scotland wants independence they should have it. What we need now is for everyone in Britain to pull together and make our new situation a success.

Al

I'd agree Al but I'm feeling as low as the pound at a 31 year low. I presume the leave campaigners aren't feeling as low as me so I feel it's their responsibly to raise my spirits and give me some hopes to look forward to.
This is my third time of asking and as yet no one has achieved it.

[pete75]

I think all those British people who dont like what Britain is and want to go should go and make a life for themselves elsewhere. If Scotland wants independence they should have it. What we need now is for everyone in Britain to pull together and make our new situation a success.

Al

Yeah like the 48% who voted differently to you should just clear off.



There are many who think that if there are things wrong in their country of birth they should try and change them rather than just abandon the place.

[Ben@Forest]

All the Scottish independence campaign needs is for the EU to have given public assurances that an independent Scotland will be on a fast track to EU membership. That's not much in terms of "special treatment" is it?

The EU are savvy enough to know that Brexit is not going to be solved quickly by the UK itself. So they having a stable independent Scotland within the EU might be regarded as something worth promoting.

But that would mean Scotland signing up the Euro - there's no way they could use the £ which would by then be the currency of a sovereign state outside the EU. How many Scots would feel happy with their central bank being in Frankfurt? And as is often quoted Spain would not agree to quick EU membership for fear Catalonia would go the same way. And it would require all 27 member states to agree.

I can't help but notice that you're posting from a country which has rejected (by referendum) EU membership twice. And apparently there's still only around 30% who would vote to join.

[pwa]

I think all those British people who dont like what Britain is and want to go should go and make a life for themselves elsewhere. If Scotland wants independence they should have it. What we need now is for everyone in Britain to pull together and make our new situation a success.

Al

I'd agree Al but I'm feeling as low as the pound at a 31 year low. I presume the leave campaigners aren't feeling as low as me so I feel it's their responsibly to raise my spirits and give me some hopes to look forward to.
This is my third time of asking and as yet no one has achieved it.

We have a pretty good country now and we will have a pretty good country ten years from now. There are racists and other sorts of bigot out there, but they are fewer each year. Most Brexit supporters are not bigots and do not want to see intolerance of minorities. I am sure of that. Outside the formal structure of the EU we will probably end up being on more friendly terms with them. We will have some sort of (roughly) Free Trade agreement and business will pick up again. After a period of short term pain we will see our economy do well. There will come a day when we look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.

What Scotland does is up to Scotland, but I'd be surprised if they voted for independence. They would have no clout in the EU on their own.

[syklist]

I can't help but notice that you're posting from a country which has rejected (by referendum) EU membership twice. And apparently there's still only around 30% who would vote to join.

I'm British. This makes me a "bleedin' immigrent" with no rights to influence a referendum here in Norway should the Norwegian people decide to consider the question again.

As you probably know Norway is a member of the EEA. This puts it is a very weak position compared to the pre-Brexit position the UK was in. As an EEA member you are required to implement all the directives created by the EU. But as an EEA member you have pretty much no influence as to the contents of those directives. You will be asked to make representations but have no rights beyond that. So EEA countries really get a much worse deal than full EU members.

Norway is a Schengen country and allows free movement of people from EU and EEA countries. So again, different to the pre-Brexit situation that the UK was in. This means also that Norwegians have the same basic rights to seek work in other countries as nationals from EU member states.

Personally I feel that an independent Scotland would be in a much better position as a member of the EU than an EEA member. Norway on the other hand is stuck between a rock and a hard place. For starters, farming would be in trouble if Norwegian subsidies were replaced with CAP ones. This is not the case for Scotland which already receives CAP subsidies.

[Vorpal]

I can't help but notice that you're posting from a country which has rejected (by referendum) EU membership twice. And apparently there's still only around 30% who would vote to join.

The Norwegian Prime Minister warned the UK against voting out of the EU, principally because Norway is subject to many EU regulations with no ability influence them.

[horizon]

We hardly have a person down here who is in the least bit unhappy with Brexit.
No doubt there are some unhappy remainers here somewhere, but not in evidence at all and they weren't in evidence during the run-up.

We were down the pub yesterday evening, and there was singing and dancing and Union Flag waving. Happy faces all round.

But this is Cornwall, don't forget. Ooh-arhh and all that.

[al_yrpal]

I think all those British people who dont like what Britain is and want to go should go and make a life for themselves elsewhere. If Scotland wants independence they should have it. What we need now is for everyone in Britain to pull together and make our new situation a success.

Al

Yeah like the 48% who voted differently to you should just clear off.



There are many who think that if there are things wrong in their country of birth they should try and change them rather than just abandon the place.

I didnt say that and I didnt mean that. I said "the people who want to go". I would hope that the vast majority of people who voted Remain would accept the democratic will of the majority and pull together to make Britain a better place.

"Yeah like the 48% who voted differently to you should just clear off." Just the sort of mindless distortion we have come to expect.

As the the Cornish celebrations my next door neighbour was singing Rule Britannia on Friday morning, although in this area Remain was more popular

Al

[Psamathe]

Some of my inlaws have said that if the UK leaves the EU, and Scotland leaves the union, they will move to Scotland.
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I would consider that. With what is happening in the UK I don't feel particularly proud to be British (increasing racial attacks over the last few days, the racist posters, the outspoken dislike of immigrants, etc.

As to whether I do or not would depend on what requirement Scotland puts on Scottish citizenship (e.g. move into a rented house the day before independence might be considered "not committed enough" whereas born in Scotland might be, etc. - they will undoubtedly be setting criteria).

I have found in my travels (particularly in Central America) that the impression people have of the country they think you are from can have a big impact on how welcome you are made. e.g. in Belize we were often assumed to be US missionaries (I was travelling with my girlfriend) and were not welcome until they found we were Brits and then made very very welcome. I think that at the moment the UK is sending a very strong message/signal about itself to the rest of the world.

Ian

[syklist]

What we need now is for everyone in Britain to pull together and make our new situation a success.

So perhaps as an example to the Remainers, could you consider removing "CTC gone but not forgotten" from your signature and replacing it with "CyclingUK, don't you just love it"? Just to prove how easy it is to let go of the old and embrace the new.

[al_yrpal]

If Scotland wants independence they should have it. What we need now is for everyone in Britain to pull together and make our new situation a success.

Al

I'd agree Al but I'm feeling as low as the pound at a 31 year low. I presume the leave campaigners aren't feeling as low as me so I feel it's their responsibly to raise my spirits and give me some hopes to look forward to.
This is my third time of asking and as yet no one has achieved it.

I think that the Leave campaigners are shocked and unprepared for what happened. Its obviously going to take a bit of time to sort things out. I thought that we would suffer, particularly financially in the short term but that things would improve in the longer term. There is obviously a period of great uncertainty ahead. The next few days should make things clearer.

Al

[Ben@Forest]

I can't help but notice that you're posting from a country which has rejected (by referendum) EU membership twice. And apparently there's still only around 30% who would vote to join.

I'm British. This makes me a "bleedin' immigrent" with no rights to influence a referendum here in Norway should the Norwegian people decide to consider the question again.

I had no doubt you are British (you've made that clear over the last couple of days). What I meant was you clearly enjoy living in a country which is not in the EU - despite the various pros and cons why would other people not enjoy living in another 'outside the EU' country.

You said a couple of days ago that the UK is not the country you left 20 years ago. And frankly why would it be, we have as a country become more socially liberal, more inclusive to the disabled, more concerned about child abuse, cleaner (no dog mess everywhere now) and more smoke-free. (I have been in Paris and Brussels in the last six months - I'd say both are dirtier than London). I also don't think we have any similar political party which has commanded (pro rata) as much support as the Norwegian Progress Party.

Yes we may be more divided, less respectful of authority, less generous in spirit to those who have 'made bad life choices' and are definitely fatter - but if we're such a crap place why do so many people want to come here?