What should Jeremy do?

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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby PH » 27 Jul 2017, 5:53pm

Vorpal wrote:p.s. the generalising and derogatory use of 'the left' doesn't make any arguments.

But it obviously makes some people happy and scares others, though most of us left the bogeyman behind with our childhoods.

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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby reohn2 » 28 Jul 2017, 10:50am

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Vorpal wrote:p.s. the generalising and derogatory use of 'the left' doesn't make any arguments.

But it obviously makes some people happy and scares others, though most of us left the bogeyman behind with our childhoods.

But you do realise that if a left wing government gets in it'll mean the bins won't be emptied,the dead won't be buried,the world will suddenly lose all colour and become black and white overnight,with only a red star being permitted.
It'll be just like North Korea,in fact just like the 70's :shock: :?
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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby horizon » 16 May 2019, 5:30pm

al_yrpal wrote:I would hopefully be pragmatic, recognise my shortcomings and resign.

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Sorry al, did you mean Jeremy or did you mean Theresa?
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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 16 May 2019, 6:24pm

We simply cannot have a prime minister called Jezza. Wedp'd be more of a laughing stock than we are already.
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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby reohn2 » 16 May 2019, 6:29pm

Lance Dopestrong wrote:We simply cannot have a prime minister called Jezza. We'd be more of a laughing stock than we are already.

Is that possible?


Thinks.... ....It certainly could be with a PM called BoJo :?
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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby Tangled Metal » 17 May 2019, 12:06pm

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Vorpal wrote:p.s. the generalising and derogatory use of 'the left' doesn't make any arguments.

But it obviously makes some people happy and scares others, though most of us left the bogeyman behind with our childhoods.

Hmmm! There might be no talk of bogeymen but in political discussions there's often language used by those supporting opposing sections of the political spectrum that talks if prominent people on the other side that sounds like bogeyman.

What I mean is you criticise the left for language that is effectively treating a right wing politician as the bogeyman. But you use similar kinds of language about the left wing politician. Or vice versa.

Everyone creates political bogeymen and women according to their own political prejudices. It's the nature of partisan politics. You support the colour of rosette that's your side while condemning the colour of rosette of the others.

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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 17 May 2019, 1:40pm

Whereas those on the left are often happy to use "the right" as a generalising and derogatory term for those they disagree with.

"Populist" is the latest such term - don't like someone else's political view? Then turn them into a bogeyman by giving them a name with slightly unsavoury overtones!
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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby Cugel » 17 May 2019, 5:51pm

Lance Dopestrong wrote:Whereas those on the left are often happy to use "the right" as a generalising and derogatory term for those they disagree with.

"Populist" is the latest such term - don't like someone else's political view? Then turn them into a bogeyman by giving them a name with slightly unsavoury overtones!


It's a rare politician these days that isn't unsavoury in much else besides whatever label they give themselves, or is stuck on them by others.

But you're correct - vague stereotypes are of little use. On the other hand, awarding the correct label to someone based on the evidence of their real views and behaviours, as opposed to accepting the PR label they've stuck on themselves ...... ?

I am happy to label Farage a proto-facist as his stated-views, behaviours and associates all meet many of the criteria defining the style of politics generally called facist. Intolerance; inclination to persecute and lie about opponents; use of scapegoats to incite mob support; extreme nationalism; a narrative of betrayal; rule by fiat rather than law; promotion of, and alliance with, big business and it's supression of it's wage slaves; no policies except the whim of the leader; etcetera.

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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 17 May 2019, 7:25pm

So he's much like most other politicians, only a little more brazen.
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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby Vorpal » 17 May 2019, 9:04pm

Tangled Metal wrote:
Everyone creates political bogeymen and women according to their own political prejudices. It's the nature of partisan politics. You support the colour of rosette that's your side while condemning the colour of rosette of the others.

Not everyone.
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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby Tangled Metal » 17 May 2019, 9:18pm

Vorpal wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:
Everyone creates political bogeymen and women according to their own political prejudices. It's the nature of partisan politics. You support the colour of rosette that's your side while condemning the colour of rosette of the others.

Not everyone.

Really? It's the competitive nature of politics.

Your side good, the others aren't. It leads to creation of the enemy or bogeyman out of the key players on the other side. BoJo is a vain, power hungry idiot out to increase the wealth of his corrupt Eton cronies in business. Corbyn is a Leftie wanting to spend other people's money on his supporters until there's nothing left. Two such examples of a narrative of the enemy to be feared if they reach the levers of power.

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Re: What should Jeremy do?

Postby PH » 17 May 2019, 10:27pm

Tangled Metal wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:
Everyone creates political bogeymen and women according to their own political prejudices. It's the nature of partisan politics. You support the colour of rosette that's your side while condemning the colour of rosette of the others.

Not everyone.

Really? It's the competitive nature of politics.

Yes really, it's perfectly possible to have a political view and take part in political discussion without singling out any individual. I've always thought we'd do better discussing policy rather than politicians, whatever shade they are they don't stand alone. The discussion is about Corbyn, but the policy comes from the executive and they get their authority from the membership. Though the details are different, the same largely applies to May. The only time it's otherwise is when the personality is the party, as in whatever banner Farage is flying, even then it still IMO better to argue the policy.