The price of disposable razors

[Heltor Chasca]

Should I win, I may be unable to attend in person to pick up the award, especially if it's megabucks to book a table at the ceremony.

I'll have a word with the organisers and UPS.

Please keep in mind that I spent over 2 decades in Africa. I do business in a certain way. My ability to enhance your chances of winning may have to come with some sort of 'gift' from yourself. In particular, I am looking for some decent woodland. I would also like a shiny Audax bike. Thanking you.

[Vorpal]

I am just waiting for a call back from Travel Lodge, to see if we can hold CUK's Tea Shop Awards Ceremony with them.

One of the awards ('Most Barking Thread Ever') will be presented on the night. I thought this one is definitely in the running. Nothing gets more peculiar than this subject and the associated comments.

I'll go now.

Just don't ask me to shave.

[661-Pete]

One of the awards ('Most Barking Thread Ever') will be presented on the night. I thought this one is definitely in the running.

On the contrary. I see this thread as the very model of commonsense and sobriety. Compared with some stuff that erupts in the Tea Shop, at any rate. Am I out on a limb here?

[pwa]

Just to clarify on the Gender thing, I do accept (of course) that Male/Female is not adequate for all people. But it works for such a great majority of us, so we use it as a general thing, knowing that there will be exceptions. It's a pity we have no word in English, other than "It", as an alternative to He/She. And we cannot call a person "It".

As blackbike has pointed out, there are alternatives, but even if you are not comfortable with them, please think about what you have stated. Just because something works for the great majority of us doesn't mean it isn't offensive or discriminatory for the few who don't fit binary gender labels.

Think about other minorities. Should we design everything for people who can walk on their own two legs, go up and down stairs, and sit on standard toilets without assistance or extra space? It's much less expensive to build buildings that way, especially shops and schools. Steps also take up less space than ramps and lifts.

Afterall, it works for the great majority of us. We know that there will be some exceptions.

I'm all for inclusivity. I just think most of us will continue using he/she fairly casually, most of the time, and will have to make adjustments here and there when we encounter people who do not quite fit with that. Most people who have had gender identification issues adopt the appearance of one of the two genders anyway, thereby choosing how they prefer to be addressed and considered.

[Edwards]

I am just waiting for a call back from Travel Lodge, to see if we can hold CUK's Tea Shop Awards Ceremony with them.

One of the awards ('Most Barking Thread Ever') will be presented on the night. I thought this one is definitely in the running. Nothing gets more peculiar than this subject and the associated comments.

I'll go now.

Check out "The Magic Sock Drawer" or even better "Man Problems Help" as contenders for this prestigious award.

[blackbike]

Just to clarify on the Gender thing, I do accept (of course) that Male/Female is not adequate for all people. But it works for such a great majority of us, so we use it as a general thing, knowing that there will be exceptions. It's a pity we have no word in English, other than "It", as an alternative to He/She. And we cannot call a person "It".

As blackbike has pointed out, there are alternatives, but even if you are not comfortable with them, please think about what you have stated. Just because something works for the great majority of us doesn't mean it isn't offensive or discriminatory for the few who don't fit binary gender labels.

Think about other minorities. Should we design everything for people who can walk on their own two legs, go up and down stairs, and sit on standard toilets without assistance or extra space? It's much less expensive to build buildings that way, especially shops and schools. Steps also take up less space than ramps and lifts.

Afterall, it works for the great majority of us. We know that there will be some exceptions.

I'm all for inclusivity. I just think most of us will continue using he/she fairly casually, most of the time, and will have to make adjustments here and there when we encounter people who do not quite fit with that. Most people who have had gender identification issues adopt the appearance of one of the two genders anyway, thereby choosing how they prefer to be addressed and considered.

There are not two genders. There are two sexes. The number of genders is only limited by the number of people on the planet as gender identity is a personal choice.

[reohn2]

Not read the whole thread(couldn't face it )
But my 2d's worth.
I these enlightened times when personal accoutrements(sp?)aren't judged by colour alone and less so a female's choice of colour(s),could a woman wishing to shave parts of her anatomy that men don't usually,could she use a male's disposable razor or is that a step too far?

Confession alert:-
When I was a cyclist worth any kind of salt and mileage and used to shave my legs ,I've used both my own and Mrs R2's leg shaving apparel and if I must take this confession to it's conclusion I didn't find much difference .
Other than I quite liked the pink razor ,which was possibly me getting in touch with my feminine side

There,it's written for all to see .

[Vorpal]

I'm all for inclusivity. I just think most of us will continue using he/she fairly casually, most of the time, and will have to make adjustments here and there when we encounter people who do not quite fit with that. Most people who have had gender identification issues adopt the appearance of one of the two genders anyway, thereby choosing how they prefer to be addressed and considered.

Most people who do not identify as male or female have been forced to accept or adopt the appearance of male or female because culture, society, and bureaucracy haven't allowed for anything else.

I've switched to using they/them/their when I don't know, or haven't been told what someone prefers.

[Flinders]

Oh dear.
I'm female, or, at least, that's what my paperwork says. Mostly.
I haven't shaved my legs (or anywhere else) since I was a teenager in the 70s when girls were told you 'had to'. I worked out PDQ that it was itchy and uncomfortable, and could see no logical reason for it so I stopped. (I note that current research on ladies and bike saddles is very clear that shaving in that area is a bad idea for us.)
I still have the razor, it was a blue one. No pink nonsense back then. I also hate pink, so even if I shaved I would just look for a 'men's' one.

Purely visually, as an artist, I prefer models not to have shaved, especially of the 'least visible' parts.

I suspect that the money trap is that 'womens' pink razors are in the 'women's' section, and women may not realise that if they shopped in the men's toiletries they could get cheaper ones. If that's how it is done, it's basically a placement and marketing trap. It's surely mad that they are charged at several times more for being a different colour otherwise.

I assume the actual blades are charged at the same rate for males/females - or are we talking abut disposables here? If so, save the planet and buy a one where you can replace the blades instead.

[pwa]

Oh dear.
I'm female, or, at least, that's what my paperwork says. Mostly.
I haven't shaved my legs (or anywhere else) since I was a teenager in the 70s when girls were told you 'had to'. I worked out PDQ that it was itchy and uncomfortable, and could see no logical reason for it so I stopped. (I note that current research on ladies and bike saddles is very clear that shaving in that area is a bad idea for us.)
I still have the razor, it was a blue one. No pink nonsense back then. I also hate pink, so even if I shaved I would just look for a 'men's' one.

Purely visually, as an artist, I prefer models not to have shaved, especially of the 'least visible' parts.

I suspect that the money trap is that 'womens' pink razors are in the 'women's' section, and women may not realise that if they shopped in the men's toiletries they could get cheaper ones. If that's how it is done, it's basically a placement and marketing trap. It's surely mad that they are charged at several times more for being a different colour otherwise.

I assume the actual blades are charged at the same rate for males/females - or are we talking abut disposables here? If so, save the planet and buy a one where you can replace the blades instead.

I pretty quickly worked out that even for men, shaving in the "saddle zone" does not lead to a happier saddle experience.

[Flinders]

I'm all for inclusivity. I just think most of us will continue using he/she fairly casually, most of the time, and will have to make adjustments here and there when we encounter people who do not quite fit with that. Most people who have had gender identification issues adopt the appearance of one of the two genders anyway, thereby choosing how they prefer to be addressed and considered.

Most people who do not identify as male or female have been forced to accept or adopt the appearance of male or female because culture, society, and bureaucracy haven't allowed for anything else.

I've switched to using they/them/their when I don't know, or haven't been told what someone prefers.

re language.
I wrote a book a few years ago - non-fiction, for training.
It was an absolute nightmare trying to avoid using she/he for over 50 thousand words. Using 'their' all the time can get so convoluted and sounds/reads so clumsily. It actually affected how I wrote the book; I made it much more chatty, using 'we', 'me', 'you' a lot more to avoid 'they' all the time. But a more formal book would not have allowed that to happen.

I have also written about animals. That was easy. You just use 'it' unless referring to a specific one, and even then you could use 'it' if you wanted to, dead easy.
I wish humans would refer to each other as 'it', at least when speaking in general. It might make our society a lot less sexist if when we talked about work and general things we were not always up against having to use 'they' or define a gender when one is not necessary.

[Flinders]

I pretty quickly worked out that even for men, shaving in the "saddle zone" does not lead to a happier saddle experience.

It does sound like a good idea in principle, but my experience with my legs put me off it, fortunately.

[reohn2]

......... I also hate pink........

Bu,bu,but you're a woman

[Heltor Chasca]

......... I also hate pink........

Bu,bu,but you're a woman

Lessons come to even the wisest amongst us R2. My oldest daughter hates pink too. She's only 14 but she's way up on the gender equality game. I've made the blue/pink razor faux pas already. Still learning.

My 7 year old daughter isn't far behind. She is into animal role play games at the moment because humans goof up the planet. I have been 'Daddy Squirrel' for 2 weeks now. I am SO sick of nuts.

[Vorpal]

When I was growing up, I learned to hate pink. I was really independent; what used to be called a tomboy, and fiercely proud of that. Hating pink was a mark of my tomboyishiness. I carried on sort of reflexively hating pink until I had a daughter who *loved* it. At first, it was a matter of I simply tried not to show my dislike of what she so obviously did like. Then, it was enjoying her sense of style, when she left the house looking like a homeless princess pirate in a somewhat-worse-for-the-wear floofy pink dress, tiara, ballet slippers, holey tights, mismatched socks, eye patch, pink cycling gloves, and swashbuckling sword.

Mini V has grown out of her love of pink, and I have grown out of my dislike for it. I still wouldn't go out of my way to buy pink razors, even if I wanted to shave something.