"....but we are liasing with Swedish authorities...."
Now - trying hard to remember my school geology lessons - 'Lias' is the name for a group of limestones, shales, etc. lying in the upper Triassic and lower Jurassic. Not heard the word used as a verb, but no doubt one could be coined - presumably meaning "to dig in the Lias deposits", presumably in search of dinosaurs and the like.
I'm glad to learn that the delectable Kellyanne has got her priorities right.... evidently the administration is in dire need of more and more dinosaurs. As if it hasn't got enough already!
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity. Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments... --- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
It is good to see the Americans worrying about all that gun-crime caused by foreigners in Sweden. I hope they are all cancelling their trips to dangerous Sweden and staying safely at home.
The politician weighed in on the debate, after Mr Trump told crowds in Melbourne, near Orlando, that Sweden's policy of accepting large numbers of migrants was not working and suggested it had led to a spike in violent crime in the country.
Around 100 people are murdered in Sweden each year, and the level has remained relatively stable over the last three decades despite a population increase. Meanwhile, Orange County, Florida, had 167 murders in 2016.
Population Sweden 9.5m; population Orange County Florida 1.2m ... and Trump thinks Sweden is having a problem with murder.
That said, for the time period covered by Trump's allagations, all anybody has been able to find of note in Sweden was
• 6:42 PM: The singer Owe Thörnqvist had some technical problems during rehearsal for the singing competition ”Melodifestivalen”. (However, the 87 year old singer still managed to secure victory the very next day.)
• 8:23 PM: A man died in hospital after an accident in the workplace earlier that day in the city of Borås.
• 8:46 PM: Due to harsh weather in the northern parts of Sweden the road E10 was closed between Katterjåkk and Riksgränsen. Due to strong winds and snow in the region the Met office also issued an avalanche warning.
• 12:17 AM: Police officers chased a fleeing Peugeot through central parts of Stockholm. The pursuit ended in police officers ramming the suspect at Engelbrektsgatan. The driver is now accused of driving under the influence, traffic violation and car theft.
And in lighter news, according to the paper:
11:23 AM: Ok, let’s not be fake news, this story took place in the autumn, but was reported Friday before lunch and we thought you would like it. A wooden moose got the attention of a lovesick moose bull. It all happened in 79 year old Ove Lindqvist’s garden in Byske outside Skellefteå, northern Sweden. ”I thought it was going to start a fight, instead it humped the wooden moose thrice”, he said.
a. Trump seems to be getting his information from Fox News. Is it right that the US President is using the very press he attacks so strongly over their "Fake News" as the source of his knowledge about what is happening in the world ?
Yet Mr Horowitz's documentary has been criticised for being riddled with inaccuracies. One Swedish terrorism expert told The Independent the film "grossly exaggerated" the amount of crime in the country and wrongly conflated drug violence in Swedish cities with crime perpetrated by refugees.
b. That Trump's supporters seem so prepared to believe anything he says, without question and without seeking out any confirmation.
c. That when demonstrated to have been wrong, Trump (and his team) will not admit his failing but instead just refuses questions and accuses the media of being dishonest about him and writing Fake News. All they do is to try and find any sort of ludicrous reasons why Trump is right (even if those reasons are quite untrue).
blackbike wrote:Reuters obviously thinks that the situation in Malmo is newsworthy.
It is newsworthy. It doesn't need to be distorted, misrepresented, and magnified to fit Trump's weird agenda.
Trump merely mentioned that something happened in Sweden and left the rest to imagination or research. You do appear to be conceding that indeed something did happen and that Trump was not after all spreading false news about a made-up event. He was just doing standard practice politicians' spin, which has had political interviewers trying to pin down politicians to specific points for decades now.
Psamathe wrote:To me the worrying aspects to this are:
a. Trump seems to be getting his information from Fox News. Is it right that the US President is using the very press he attacks so strongly over their "Fake News" as the source of his knowledge about what is happening in the world ?
Yet Mr Horowitz's documentary has been criticised for being riddled with inaccuracies. One Swedish terrorism expert told The Independent the film "grossly exaggerated" the amount of crime in the country and wrongly conflated drug violence in Swedish cities with crime perpetrated by refugees.
b. That Trump's supporters seem so prepared to believe anything he says, without question and without seeking out any confirmation.
c. That when demonstrated to have been wrong, Trump (and his team) will not admit his failing but instead just refuses questions and accuses the media of being dishonest about him and writing Fake News. All they do is to try and find any sort of ludicrous reasons why Trump is right (even if those reasons are quite untrue).
Ian
Those of us in the middle can see that BOTH sides are doing this.
blackbike wrote:Reuters obviously thinks that the situation in Malmo is newsworthy.
It is newsworthy. It doesn't need to be distorted, misrepresented, and magnified to fit Trump's weird agenda.
Trump merely mentioned that something happened in Sweden and left the rest to imagination or research. You do appear to be conceding that indeed something did happen and that Trump was not after all spreading false news about a made-up event. He was just doing standard practice politicians' spin, which has had political interviewers trying to pin down politicians to specific points for decades now.
In Trumps speech he specified a time for the event Trump told supporters: “We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden.”.
From above (when press set about finding about what did happen in Sweden at that time
• 6:42 PM: The singer Owe Thörnqvist had some technical problems during rehearsal for the singing competition ”Melodifestivalen”. (However, the 87 year old singer still managed to secure victory the very next day.)
• 8:23 PM: A man died in hospital after an accident in the workplace earlier that day in the city of Borås.
• 8:46 PM: Due to harsh weather in the northern parts of Sweden the road E10 was closed between Katterjåkk and Riksgränsen. Due to strong winds and snow in the region the Met office also issued an avalanche warning.
• 12:17 AM: Police officers chased a fleeing Peugeot through central parts of Stockholm. The pursuit ended in police officers ramming the suspect at Engelbrektsgatan. The driver is now accused of driving under the influence, traffic violation and car theft.
And in lighter news, according to the paper:
11:23 AM: Ok, let’s not be fake news, this story took place in the autumn, but was reported Friday before lunch and we thought you would like it. A wooden moose got the attention of a lovesick moose bull. It all happened in 79 year old Ove Lindqvist’s garden in Byske outside Skellefteå, northern Sweden. ”I thought it was going to start a fight, instead it humped the wooden moose thrice”, he said.
But then when "pulled-up" of trumps fiction they tried to change it to
The White House has said Donald Trump was speaking about general “rising crime” when he seemed to describe a non-existent terror attack in Sweden on Saturday night, as the president defended his ideas about banning refugees and travel from seven Muslim-majority countries.
Except that the number of murders in Sweden has remained pretty constant over the last 30 years despite the population increasing (so the rate is actually declining).
And Trump is the one accusing everybody (that disagrees with him) or being "Fake News".
Malmö has a number of unique problems, and has had a reputation for high crime, from long before the recent refugee crisis.
Much of the problem occurs because it is a geographic bottleneck. Furthermore, it is generally easier to drive over the bridge from Denmark with drugs, weapons, and other contraband, than to take them on ferries, where vehicles may undergo checks intended to prevent terrorist attacks and smuggling.
Much of the violence is down to organised crime, and a significant proportion of that is cross-border crime.
“In some ways, it is easier to be a dissident, for then one is without responsibility.” ― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom
blackbike wrote:Reuters obviously thinks that the situation in Malmo is newsworthy.
It is newsworthy. It doesn't need to be distorted, misrepresented, and magnified to fit Trump's weird agenda.
Trump merely mentioned that something happened in Sweden and left the rest to imagination or research. You do appear to be conceding that indeed something did happen and that Trump was not after all spreading false news about a made-up event. He was just doing standard practice politicians' spin, which has had political interviewers trying to pin down politicians to specific points for decades now.
I'm conceding nothing. It's always been obvious that not everything that comes out of Trump's mouth is a complete lie. There are truths mixed with half-truths, misrepresentations and outright lies.
In this case, he cited something that happened in Sweden the night before, and followed it with a list of terrorist attacks elsewhere. Then, on Twitter, he pulled out the Malmö story - even though it isn't something that 'happened' on Friday. The most generous thing I could say is that he is blabbing on about half-remembered things he has seen on telly the previous night. But I think you are stretching things when you say that he 'merely mentioned something'. I notice the term 'merely mentioned' is most often used to excuse S%%%-stirring.
He is the president of the US, not a village gossip.
Much of the problem occurs because it is a geographic bottleneck. Furthermore, it is generally easier to drive over the bridge from Denmark with drugs, weapons, and other contraband, than to take them on ferries, where vehicles may undergo checks intended to prevent terrorist attacks and smuggling.
Much of the violence is down to organised crime, and a significant proportion of that is cross-border crime
There you go, yet again, with your fact based rational analysis.
What this kind of problem really needs is a knee jerk response based on nothing more than personal prejudice and a smattering of familiarity with Fox News headlines.
bovlomov wrote:It is newsworthy. It doesn't need to be distorted, misrepresented, and magnified to fit Trump's weird agenda.
Trump merely mentioned that something happened in Sweden and left the rest to imagination or research. You do appear to be conceding that indeed something did happen and that Trump was not after all spreading false news about a made-up event. He was just doing standard practice politicians' spin, which has had political interviewers trying to pin down politicians to specific points for decades now.
I'm conceding nothing. It's always been obvious that not everything that comes out of Trump's mouth is a complete lie. There are truths mixed with half-truths, misrepresentations and outright lies.
In this case, he cited something that happened in Sweden the night before, and followed it with a list of terrorist attacks elsewhere. Then, on Twitter, he pulled out the Malmö story - even though it isn't something that 'happened' on Friday. The most generous thing I could say is that he is blabbing on about half-remembered things he has seen on telly the previous night. But I think you are stretching things when you say that he 'merely mentioned something'. I notice the term 'merely mentioned' is most often used to excuse S%%%-stirring.
He is the president of the US, not a village gossip.
Yes and he is playing these tricks that you describe, just as all the ones before him did. As do many of our politicians.
