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I don't think it's reasonable to expect somebody to deal with an incident like this and to drive a train. OTOH, I don't think it's reasonable to expect passengers to tolerate it without official assistance and protection.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-38868403

bout time their strikes were made illegal? has gone on long enough.
Aslef members have rejected a deal with Southern rail that would have ended a long-running industrial dispute.

mercalia wrote:smug aslef

Smug Aslef? I thought they'd negotiated the deal?

PH wrote:

mercalia wrote:smug aslef

Smug Aslef? I thought they'd negotiated the deal?

has been rejected by the workers I think it was 54% against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38994965

should now make it possible to sue the Union? make it backrupt for a start, then go after the workers who voted against

Good grief! Make strikes illegal and then what? Jail the drivers? Than who'd drive the trains? Conscripts from the unemployed? Except Hammond keeps saying we've got full employment at the moment, so that probably won't work.

Seems like it would be much simpler to take the franchise off of Southern and maybe let the railwaymen and women run the service instead.

mjr wrote:Good grief! Make strikes illegal and then what? Jail the drivers? Than who'd drive the trains? Conscripts from the unemployed? Except Hammond keeps saying we've got full employment at the moment, so that probably won't work.

Seems like it would be much simpler to take the franchise off of Southern and maybe let the railwaymen and women run the service instead.

nah dont want to jail them just pick their pocket when they cant afford their booze and fags and the hol in spain they would come to their senses? - the increase in employement I read is not due to UK citizens but people from the EU - Maybe some there who can drive trains? dont need 2 per train just one

mercalia wrote:nah dont want to jail them just pick their pocket when they cant afford their booze and fags and the hol in spain they would come to their senses? - the increase in employement I read is not due to UK citizens but people from the EU - Maybe some there who can drive trains? dont need 2 per train just one

You really know nothing about Train Drivers ....
Constant drug tests. Daily alcohol testing, smoking ... really ... ho ho ....
They even have a list of cities they cannot visit ... Amsterdam .... never ... they may pick up traces of cannabis in their hair by just being in the wrong pub or cafe...
Yes, not just urine tests ... hair strand as well ...
It's the union that is mad ... not the drivers .......
No i'm not and never would wish to be one ... but i interact with them ....
I currently support a fleet where Drivers travel at 125 mph ( 220 / 221 Voyager) and are personally responsible for the safety of over 200, 300 ... people ....
Personally Responsible ..!!!
Then someone steps out in front of them ...

Have some respect !!!!

mercalia wrote:

PH wrote:

mercalia wrote:smug aslef

Smug Aslef? I thought they'd negotiated the deal?

has been rejected by the workers I think it was 54% against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38994965

should now make it possible to sue the Union? make it backrupt for a start, then go after the workers who voted against

Well I'm glad you've understood that. though it doesn't explain why you thing the Aslef would be smug, they've just had the deal they negotiated rejected by their members, I'd have thought they were the opposite of smug. They will continue to act as directed by that membership, what else would you expect them to do?

PH wrote:Well I'm glad you've understood that. though it doesn't explain why you thing the Aslef would be smug, they've just had the deal they negotiated rejected by their members, I'd have thought they were the opposite of smug. They will continue to act as directed by that membership, what else would you expect them to do?

Which members, what percentage?
Members or Officials ??????
Lies, Dammed lies .. and Statistics ...

mercalia wrote:...has been rejected by the workers I think it was 54% against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38994965

should now make it possible to sue the Union? make it backrupt for a start, then go after the workers who voted against

Well, seems to me, this was a democratic vote carried out amongst the ASLEF membership. And the vote indicated, by a clear majority, the wish to reject the proposal. The 'will of the people' so to speak.

Now where have I heard that expression before?

landsurfer wrote: .........Have some respect !!!!

Quite!
Some folk are very good a shouting the odds from the side lines but can't do the job they moan about others doing,and fighting for their rights due to safety issues which the rail bosses are all too willing to risk for more profit.

When I was in mining(middle management)occasionally I used to take groups of adults on visits around a working coalface.I'd always ask what they thought of it,without exception they'd say "your worth every penny earn down hear".
It's the same with train drivers,it's a specialist job with a lot of responsibility,and as if it's not hard enough they're wanting them to look after passengers without a guard to boot.
Guards also have a very responsible job too,it's not just a matter of blowing whistle and waving a flag.
They have my full backing.

661-Pete wrote:

mercalia wrote:...has been rejected by the workers I think it was 54% against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38994965

should now make it possible to sue the Union? make it backrupt for a start, then go after the workers who voted against

Well, seems to me, this was a democratic vote carried out amongst the ASLEF membership. And the vote indicated, by a clear majority the wish to reject the proposal. The 'will of the people' so to speak.

54% of a 77.4% turnout.
A higher majority than the EU referendum vote

Now where have I heard that expression before?

What's good for the goose as they used to say

landsurfer wrote:

PH wrote:Well I'm glad you've understood that. though it doesn't explain why you thing the Aslef would be smug, they've just had the deal they negotiated rejected by their members, I'd have thought they were the opposite of smug. They will continue to act as directed by that membership, what else would you expect them to do?

Which members, what percentage?
Members or Officials ??????
Lies, Dammed lies .. and Statistics ...

The UK has the most regulated unions in the EU, thanks to you know who, I know it doesn't fit with your preconceived ideas but the membership have rejected what the union put forward to end the dispute, that's the facts.

PH wrote:The UK has the most regulated unions in the EU, thanks to you know who, I know it doesn't fit with your preconceived ideas but the membership have rejected what the union put forward to end the dispute, that's the facts.

Well thats ok then ... "but the membership have rejected what the union put forward to end the dispute" ...no problem with that ... Democracy is a 3 way street ... and burns at all 3 ends of the candle ...

reohn2 wrote:

landsurfer wrote: .........Have some respect !!!!

Quite!
Some folk are very good a shouting the odds from the side lines but can't do the job they moan about others doing,and fighting for their rights due to safety issues which the rail bosses are all too willing to risk for more profit.

When I was in mining(middle management)occasionally I used to take groups of adults on visits around a working coalface.I'd always ask what they thought of it,without exception they'd say "your worth every penny earn down hear".
It's the same with train drivers,it's a specialist job with a lot of responsibility,and as if it's not hard enough they're wanting them to look after passengers without a guard to boot.
Guards also have a very responsible job too,it's not just a matter of blowing whistle and waving a flag.
They have my full backing.

But the experts in rail safety, the ORR, have said the southern rail trains would be just as safe if driver operated only. They just need to keep the camera lenses clean, apparently.