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You can watch TV online.
You can watch it old, or watch it new.
You can watch it again, or watch live.

I know that if it's BBC, you need a TVL, but who cares nowadays?
Does it matter?
Anyone anywhere can watch anything anywhere and anytime, and no-one cares who or where or what or when.
Does it matter?

Mick F wrote:You can watch TV online.
You can watch it old, or watch it new.
You can watch it again, or watch live.

I know that if it's BBC, you need a TVL, but who cares nowadays?
Does it matter?
Anyone anywhere can watch anything anywhere and anytime, and no-one cares who or where or what or when.
Does it matter?

depends what you mean? it is still a criminal rather than a civil offence if you get caught watching tv without a licence. I only used to watch tv for 4 purposes a) news b) documentaries c) fave comedies d) films. well c & d can download at better quality if you know where to go & only watch tv at a friends house and realise I am not missing much. Catchup is still legal for non BBC channels so I 'm all right Jack

I mean that you can watch anything anywhere anytime ................. even BBC.

Who cares?
Does it matter?
Offence or otherwise.
Who cares?

Considering we have all sorts of mobile devices, and are able to see what we want when we want and wherever we want.
Why am I obeying the law?

I'd be happy to pay something to watch catch up tv but BBC I player won't let me see it

mercalia wrote:

Mick F wrote:You can watch TV online.
You can watch it old, or watch it new.
You can watch it again, or watch live.

I know that if it's BBC, you need a TVL, but who cares nowadays?
Does it matter?
Anyone anywhere can watch anything anywhere and anytime, and no-one cares who or where or what or when.
Does it matter?

depends what you mean? it is still a criminal rather than a civil offence if you get caught watching tv without a licence. I only used to watch tv for 4 purposes a) news b) documentaries c) fave comedies d) films. well c & d can download at better quality if you know where to go & only watch tv at a friends house and realise I am not missing much. Catchup is still legal for non BBC channels so I 'm all right Jack

Watching without a licence is a civil offence, it's refusing to pay the fine that turns criminal IIRC....

Something like that anyway.

The real question is whether there should be a reduced fee available for 'iPlayer only' households in the same way there is for B&W ...

Mick F wrote:I mean that you can watch anything anywhere anytime ................. even BBC.

Who cares?
Does it matter?
Offence or otherwise.
Who cares?

Considering we have all sorts of mobile devices, and are able to see what we want when we want and wherever we want.
Why am I obeying the law?

To not buy a TV license would in effect be theft.

We expect others to obey the law e.g. sticking to speed limits, not pulling-out when a cyclist is in their way, staying out os ASLs, not driving in cycle lanes, etc. I suspect that people who do pay would care as they are effectively subsidising you (and many of those may be financially worse off and less able to pay than you are).

Ian

[XAP]Bob wrote:
Watching without a licence is a civil offence, it's refusing to pay the fine that turns criminal IIRC....

You don't RC.

Incredibly, watching your own TV in your own home without paying the state for permission is a criminal offence, even if you don't watch the state broadcaster's programmes.

On the plus side it is one of the easiest crimes to get away with.

Mick F wrote:You can watch TV online.
You can watch it old, or watch it new.
You can watch it again, or watch live.

I know that if it's BBC, you need a TVL, but who cares nowadays?
Does it matter?
Anyone anywhere can watch anything anywhere and anytime, and no-one cares who or where or what or when.
Does it matter?

I remember a few years back someone saying that you would end up watching TV on line and phone calls would all be wireless.

Psamathe wrote:

Mick F wrote:I mean that you can watch anything anywhere anytime ................. even BBC.

Who cares?
Does it matter?
Offence or otherwise.
Who cares?

Considering we have all sorts of mobile devices, and are able to see what we want when we want and wherever we want.
Why am I obeying the law?

To not buy a TV license would in effect be theft.

We expect others to obey the law e.g. sticking to speed limits, not pulling-out when a cyclist is in their way, staying out os ASLs, not driving in cycle lanes, etc. I suspect that people who do pay would care as they are effectively subsidising you (and many of those may be financially worse off and less able to pay than you are).

Ian

Yes, of course.

My rather flippant question is really aimed at mobile devices being used by anyone anywhere irrespective of a TVL.

Who cares?

If you saw someone in a public space using a tablet to watch Dr Who or EastEnders for example, would you ask them if they had a TVL?
Would a policeman ask?

Some people step over ill people in the street, who cares, does it matter?
Some people abuse women, who cares, does it matter?
Some people shop lift, who cares, does it matter?
Some people dont pay taxes, who cares, does it matter?

The list is endless but it is up to the individual and their morals. I care about the society I live in and am prepared to risk my life to try and improve it, not letting the criminals get away with a crime.
Others have told me I was stupid and could have got hurt (unconscious in the road not hurt?) or killed. We all have to make decisions about our personal responsibility.

How far do we personally go to make society a decent place to live in is up to the person. There is a standing cost to broadcast free TV so paying for that is something the more civilised countries do, so why not this one?

There is a standing cost, but is the TVL a fair way of collecting it?

The wealthy person with 5 80" TVs pays 145

The pauper with a single small screen pays 145...

Should it not be paid for from general taxation, so those who can affford it pay more (as we do for virtually everything else)

[XAP]Bob wrote:There is a standing cost, but is the TVL a fair way of collecting it?

The wealthy person with 5 80" TVs pays 145

The pauper with a single small screen pays 145...

Should it not be paid for from general taxation, so those who can affford it pay more (as we do for virtually everything else)

I would agree (though probably question why even general taxation should pay for it and why we even need a "state broadcaster". But given that we do have it and the law requires people buy a TV license then people who don't obey the law just place additional burden on those who do.

Ian

Psamathe wrote:....though probably question why even general taxation should pay for it and why we even need a "state broadcaster".

No commercial adverts and an admittedly questionable (but vastly more independent than most) editorial policy.

squeaker wrote:

Psamathe wrote:....though probably question why even general taxation should pay for it and why we even need a "state broadcaster".

No commercial adverts and an admittedly questionable (but vastly more independent than most) editorial policy.

You (and maybe others) might value no adverts and think it warrants a premium subscription/charge but I don't so why should I be forced to pay the subscription as well (and not watch it). If you (and others) value no ads, etc. they you (and others) pay for it.

Not a question of quality/ads/editorial policy or anything it's about compulsory subscription to something I don't and don't want to watch - so why should I be forced to subscribe ? Why should I be forced to subscribe to BBC rather than be forced to subscribe to Sky forced to subscribe to NetFlix or anybody else.

Ian

Now replace BBC with NHS