Julian Assange? Who's that?

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From the latest version of that link
Judges ordered the case must return to Westminster Magistrates' Court for a district judge to formally send it to Home Secretary Priti Patel.
That's what I was getting at. It's what used to be called "mandamus" a higher court ordering a lower court how to act.

I presume that it's possible to appeal against this decision to the Court of Appeal although the fact that the Lord Chief Justice has presided over the High Court hearing is an indicator of which way the judiciary views it. I've a feeling that the Home Secretary's decision is subject to judicial review.

There's a lot of spin involved in some of what's being said. The only other thing I'd predict with any certainty is that he's unlikely to be released on bail.

(IMO Talk of deals on social media is a distraction.)
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reohn2 wrote: 4 Jun 2019, 10:38am Julian Assange = journalist a fearless and good one too.
As for the USA it's one of the worst abusers of power on the planet and the UK is in it's pocket :twisted:
My opinion from page 10

Nothing has changed since.
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Julian Assange wins right to ask Supreme Court to consider US extradition appeal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60108379

(No mention of bail.)
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thirdcrank wrote: 24 Jan 2022, 11:53am Julian Assange wins right to ask Supreme Court to consider US extradition appeal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60108379

(No mention of bail.)
I missed this post.

All power to him,I hope one day this hero of truth will be free!
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It may be a pyrrhic victory, which at the very least is going to prolong his detention in this country, possibly for quite some time. AIUI, if the Supreme Court agrees to hear the appeal, which isn't certain, then it's about the way in which the assurances from the US government were dealt with in its appeal against the decision by District Judge Vanessa Baraitser that he should not be extradited. ie The Supreme Court isn't going to rule against extradition, even if it agrees to hear the appeal. AIUI, it will rule how the assurances should have been dealt with and send the case back down to be dealt with accordingly.
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I'm not really au fait with the current developments in the case, but what actually happens next if the US appeal for extradition fails, will he be released immediately? I assume he had served all the time for any previous offence committed in the the UK?
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AFAIK, the only offence alleged to have been committed here and for which he has been sentenced was failing to surrender to bail when he went into the Ecuadorian embassy in June 2012 the sentence being 50 weeks in April 2019. (The sentence did not qualify for any form of remission.)

In short, once the appeal processes are complete - and that might take a while - if the deportation order is not confirmed then he should be released.
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Slowtwitch wrote: 1 Feb 2022, 5:30am I'm not really au fait with the current developments in the case, but what actually happens next if the US appeal for extradition fails, will he be released immediately? I assume he had served all the time for any previous offence committed in the the UK?
thirdcrank wrote: 1 Feb 2022, 7:52am AFAIK, the only offence alleged to have been committed here and for which he has been sentenced was failing to surrender to bail when he went into the Ecuadorian embassy in June 2012 the sentence being 50 weeks in April 2019. (The sentence did not qualify for any form of remission.)
Agreed. There aren't known to be any outstanding charges or further investigations or unserved sentences for crimes committed in the UK (or under relevant jurisdiction).

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Julian Assange denied permission to challenge extradition
....The case will now goes back down to the original decision-making judge who assessed the United States' request.

Home Secretary Priti Patel is then expected to make a final decision. And even at that stage, there may still be grounds to mount a fresh challenge. ....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60743322
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thirdcrank wrote: 14 Mar 2022, 6:12pm Julian Assange denied permission to challenge extradition
....The case will now goes back down to the original decision-making judge who assessed the United States' request.

Home Secretary Priti Patel is then expected to make a final decision. And even at that stage, there may still be grounds to mount a fresh challenge. ....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60743322
Is there a higher court he can appeal to? Given it's a UK extradition can it come under higher courts e.g. ECHR?

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Psamathe wrote: 14 Mar 2022, 6:17pm
thirdcrank wrote: 14 Mar 2022, 6:12pm Julian Assange denied permission to challenge extradition
....The case will now goes back down to the original decision-making judge who assessed the United States' request.

Home Secretary Priti Patel is then expected to make a final decision. And even at that stage, there may still be grounds to mount a fresh challenge. ....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60743322
Is there a higher court he can appeal to? Given it's a UK extradition can it come under higher courts e.g. ECHR?
What happens next:

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I'm surprised I've not mentioned this before on this thread but I can't find it with the search facility.

Older readers will surely remember a time before supermarkets when the ubiquitous corner grocery shops displayed printed signs
PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR CREDIT AS A REFUSAL OFTEN OFFENDS
The first CID office I worked in had one of those displayed with credit altered to "BAIL."

The point here is that courts take a very dim view of those who fail to surrender to court bail and this is central to JA's situation today, in that while all these appeals continue, he's wasting away with no likelihood of bail in one of the highest security prisons in the land, without even the faint light at the end of the tunnel for most prisoners of being able to count down to their release date (EDR?) Also, as every appeal extends his time spent in custody, it won't count towards his release date because he won't be sentenced here and I doubt the US prison system will knock it off any sentence eventually imposed over there.

The moral of this waffle is "Don't jump bail."
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Assange arrest anniversary prompts London protests

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61057837

Note that the BBC illustrates this report with a pic from last year's anniversary protest
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I see that Westminster Magistrates' Court has now made the extradition order and the decision is now with the Home Secretary, Priti Patel, subject to appeal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... order.html
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thirdcrank wrote: 20 Apr 2022, 11:56am I see that Westminster Magistrates' Court has now made the extradition order and the decision is now with the Home Secretary, Priti Patel, subject to appeal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... order.html
And, with the government including "free speech" measures in the Queen's speech, here's a view on why it matters so much from a liberal/ centrist point of view: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xtradition
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