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meic wrote:......
It is probably easier to reach the target through "grazing" with little bits, mostly uncooked, ....

I wonder if uncooked has the same benefits as cooked. I can see that uncooked would be good in some regards but probably harder for the body to absorb essential vitamins and nutrients from some uncooked veg.

I wonder if the 10-a-day would increase if we are talking about uncooked veg.

Ian

nez dans le guidon wrote:"A new study shows Inuit life expectancy still trails that of the rest of the country, with self-inflicted injuries and smoking largely to blame" is the slug in the article you mention, just in case anyone can't be bothered to look it up. So not apples, 10 a day or the lack thereof but probably alcohol and suicides, just like all the other aboriginal populations who have suffered the dubious benefits of a soaking in Western culture. I think you and I might be on the same side of this argument. I'm afraid 10 a day, 5 a day, statistics that support low fat diets but weirdly exclude the French are all part of the hocus pocus that is cooked up by governments supported by food production vested interests and big pharma. Next, skimmed milk.

It would depend on whether or not you believe that a community which has lived in a certain environment for an extended period of time will have evolved to suit that environment. In time we too could adapt to a diet of processed food.
I reckon a bit of both, we would adapt partially.

Any dietary advice I hear is measured against the old "eat real food, not too much, mostly plants".
This helps to keep you free of anything cooked up by food production vested interests and big pharma.
The Inuits obviously fall foul of the last part of that general principle. It may be that the principle doesnt apply to them or that their diet could be be improved by a bit more fruit and veg.
It is allegedly a scientific survey that has shown real benefits even if that may not be caused by exactly "eat 10 portions of 80g of different veg every day" so much as "a plentiful and various supply of fruit and veg".

I wonder if the 10-a-day would increase if we are talking about uncooked veg.

I am pretty sure that the ten a day is expected to be made up from all of the different types of veg including raw salad items and some provided through fruit as well, but veg more than fruit.
Without even getting into worries about which are fruit or veg, eg. rhubarb, tomatoes, courgettes.

yes Meic. I think our mothers were right when theysaid "eat up your greens"! And before our modern obsession with convenience our ancestors had strategies to deal with vitamins etc. but it all involved real food.


I'm a trendy consumer. Just look at my wobbly bog brush using hovercraft full of eels

The thing is to eat as many different types of f+v as possible. Raw and cooked stuff have different properties/nutritional values so I always put a handful of chopped carrots and potatoes in early and a handful a few minutes later, likewise with onions and leeks, some raw and some overcooked. The body takes up what nutrients it needs I think

I rarely use salt but I was feeling a bit queer today so I added some to my porridge. What is the current wisdom on salt?

meic wrote:It probably involves people changing the way they eat in order to get the benefits. It may not be possible to change what we eat, without changing the way we eat.

The only way I could get the ten F+V a day, would to graze throughout the day.
I don't - and never have - eaten between meals.

Two or three meals a day keeps me fit and lithe (for a nearly 65 year old) and I can ride a bike for 50miles in Devon and Cornwall without batting an eyelid.

I ain't changing my habits.

Mick F wrote:

meic wrote:It probably involves people changing the way they eat in order to get the benefits. It may not be possible to change what we eat, without changing the way we eat.

The only way I could get the ten F+V a day, would to graze throughout the day.
I don't - and never have - eaten between meals.

Two or three meals a day keeps me fit and lithe (for a nearly 65 year old) and I can ride a bike for 50miles in Devon and Cornwall without batting an eyelid.

I ain't changing my habits.

Yes, but if you wanted to be fit and healthy...oh wait...

Bonefishblues wrote: ...oh wait...

meic wrote:

axel_knutt wrote:

661-Pete wrote:This is news to me, and seems to make no sense.

Sweet potatoes don't count. The excluded veg are tubers, as defined in group 8.34 of Eurocode 2: Potato, Jerusalem artichoke, Sweet potato, Yam, Yam bean, Cassava & Taro.

I'm already averaging 8 a day, another apple a day and that wouldn't be far off ten.

That depends on who you use as your source.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38048957

The BBC are not an authority on diet & nutrition. The reference to Eurocode 2 comes from the FSA, but the whole five a day campaign comes from the SACN, and is based on the WHO report TRS797 from 1990 which says:

"For the purpose of this recommendation, 'fruits and vegetables' does not include potatoes, other tubers, or cassava."

Eurocode 2 classifies sweet potato as a tuber.

The BBC are however the source of the article which we are discussing.
Which itself is not part of the WHO or FSA recommendations.

I had some slices of cucumber with my lunch.

That's Number One of mine today.

Chilli and rice this evening.
Tomato, kidney beans.

That's two more, and makes THREE of my ten a day.
Does rice count?
If so, that's FOUR.

Possibly you could finish it off with a cigar, tobacco is a leaf so that makes five.

Sorry, rice isnt on the list not even wholemeal* rice.
In fact it is even out of fashion right now due to its high arsenic content. You just cant win with both diet and access to the internet.
https://www.food.gov.uk/science/arsenic-in-rice

*wholemeal rice is much worse for arsenic than white rice.

meic wrote:Sorry, rice isnt on the list not even wholemeal* rice.
In fact it is even out of fashion right now due to its high arsenic content. You just cant win with both diet and access to the internet.
https://www.food.gov.uk/science/arsenic-in-rice

From the link:

• The European Commission introduced maximum limits in 2015, for inorganic arsenic in rice and rice products. The legal limits apply from January 2016. The FSA worked hard in Europe to ensure that strict limits were in put in place for rice and rice products intended for infants and young children.
• EU maximum limits for environmental contaminants are reviewed on a regular basis and are subject to future revision to take account of the latest evidence and data – therefore there may be scope to reduce them further in due course.

So that's all right then.

No - wait!