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661-Pete wrote:I suppose going to Beachy Head and taking a good long run-up isn't on the list.....

Actually I'd suggest option (1) for all the supporters of brexit in our midst. Go for it! Get utterly bladdered and then spend the rest of the day doing - well, what inevitably comes up after such sessions....

Reason? I had a delightful day of worshipping at the porcelain altar, a few weeks ago - though my case wasn't through the demon booze, it was a nasty bout of GE. Not nice! Something I'd only wish to share with - well, supporters of brexit....

But I don't expect to be spending the day in question doing that, myself, not if I can help it....

just for you i might just add that to the list

661-Pete wrote:New friends like those, I can do without thanks!

In all the time I've used this Forum I have never had anyone suggest that they wish I and people who share my political views become ill. You wish illness on me and about half the UK population? Really?

Not half of the population only half of those who voted. Minor correction but please do not assume there is a true majority voting for Brexit because we just don't know. It's one reason the remainers still complain about it. If the vote had been a clear majority of the whole population then Blair and all those other Remainers would not have any excuse to complain.

If certain people on this forum hadn't spent the past nine months and more banging on about brexit and other politics, perhaps I might have adopted a more temperate stance. But all I ever get from the brexiters, is: "we won, get over it, quit moaning and shut the **** up". My answer to that - as Miss Havisham could very well have put it - is "who am I, for heaven's sake, that I should be 'friends' with these people?"

But my earlier post was meant, of course, as a rather sick joke. Literally. Report it if you must....

But all I ever get from the brexiters,

The classic trap of thinking a few loud extremists represent the majority.

Canuk wrote:
WW2 may seem positively benign in comparison.

Don't panic!

661-Pete wrote:If certain people on this forum hadn't spent the past nine months and more banging on about brexit and other politics, perhaps I might have adopted a more temperate stance. But all I ever get from the brexiters, is: "we won, get over it, quit moaning and shut the **** up". My answer to that - as Miss Havisham could very well have put it - is "who am I, for heaven's sake, that I should be 'friends' with these people?"

But my earlier post was meant, of course, as a rather sick joke. Literally. Report it if you must....

No need to report anything, Pete. Or for me to take too much offence. I regret that you and other Remain voters are unhappy. It gives me no satisfaction or a feeling that I won and you lost.

pwa wrote:I regret that you and other Remain voters are unhappy. It gives me no satisfaction or a feeling that I won and you lost.

That's nice, thank you.
You have been a polite and reasoned contributor.

As to the 29th, I think above all I will be sad.

Sad that my country has become so insular and inward looking that it feels it must take this step.
Sad to feel that in two years I will no longer be officially a European, for I have valued that immensely.

Sad that the politicians have been unable to find enough time, energy and "just what it takes" to discuss issues and find meaningful compromise, for it would have needed so little.
Sad to be under the sway of Johnson, Fox, Davies, and May. They are untrustworthy IMV, and have form in that regard. They are beholden to the undemocratic Daily Mail whose narrow views have been so influential.

Sad for the completely ignored 48%.

My sense of injustice will also rise up no doubt.
Injustice in that, IMV, a great deal of the leave campaign was based on lies and distortion and that Farage has resigned and gone to USA, leaving behind him such a mess and cannot be held to account.

Bit I will have two years to consider my options as the process evolves.
It will be, at least, very interesting to observe.

PDQ Mobile wrote:[

Sad to feel that in two years I will no longer be officially a European...

I'll be as European as I was prior to 1973, and as I was during our membership of the EU.

Do you regard Norwegians, Russians and the Swiss as European? If not, what are they?

And have Poles only been European since 2004?

meic wrote:

But all I ever get from the brexiters,

The classic trap of thinking a few loud extremists represent the majority.

Spot on.

blackbike wrote:

PDQ Mobile wrote:[

Sad to feel that in two years I will no longer be officially a European...

I'll be as European as I was prior to 1973, and as I was during our membership of the EU.

Do you regard Norwegians, Russians and the Swiss as European? If not, what are they?

And have Poles only been European since 2004?

Europe is the name of a continent ........... or it was when I was at skool.

Seems it still is.
A continent is one of several very large landmasses on Earth. Generally identified by convention rather than any strict criteria, up to seven regions are commonly regarded as continents. Ordered from largest in size to smallest, they are: Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, and Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

Yep - but in the same way that America no longer refers to the continent, but to a collection of states...

Europe, in the context of this conversation, is a political construct, not a geographical one...

[XAP]Bob wrote:Yep - but in the same way that America no longer refers to the continent, but to a collection of states...

Europe, in the context of this conversation, is a political construct, not a geographical one...

I disagree.

Just because some pro-EU people use the word Europe when they mean the EU doesn't mean the two terms are interchangeable or mean the same thing. The same logic applies to the Americas, where the propensity of some people to call the USA 'America' does not affect the fact that hundreds of millions of people from lots of other countries are just as American as US citizens.

And what does it mean to be an 'official' European?

Nothing.

I don't need officialdom to validate and confirm which continent I belong to.

I'm European regardless of which ephemeral international treaties might exist at any time.

Geologically the continent includes Russia and post Brexit UK. Politically i have no idea of the boundaries of Europe. I guess it can be different to the geological continent.

Hardly scientific but a children's card game based on flags puts Russia as Europe/Asia category. Whereas UK is just Europe. It was a few years old though so soon to be out of date.