cycling into old age

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Here are survival curves:

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Logic would suggest that “ability to cycle a decent distance, provided you keep reasonably in practice” curves would look the same, displaced to the left by maybe ten or fifteen years.

I’m a mere 65yo, and (touch wood) although I definitely need to pace myself, and need lower gears on hills than I used to, I don’t feel any step change, so far. But, I’ve never been an athlete, only ever a bloke who thoroughly enjoys bike rides, so I’ve probably never pushed myself in the way that some here clearly have.

I’ve met people well into their eighties who I can barely keep up with, and get overtaken going up hill by people in their mid-seventies, so a few people do sustain seriously well. Those I know who have given up it’s either a very specific health issue (my mother gave up at 82 because she had trouble maintaining balance, for instance), or road cyclists who have simply got sick of feeling terrified by cars and Lorries. My grandfather took a different approach: he was a daily utility cyclist, only transport a bike, and rode decent distances carrying his tools (a gardener), or his golf clubs; he put his bike in the shed when he got home one evening, aged 85, and never woke up in the morning.

Just think though: a very high % of the population, even youngsters, don’t have the fitness or stamina to ride a decent distance at all, because they don’t keep in practice.
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I note that this is a bit of a Zombie thread, and that many earlier respondents are still here and pushing the pedals … they must be doing something right.

A while back I started a well supported thread about what bikes the elderly and infirm used, maybe there are some helpful insights there too: viewtopic.php?p=1616835&hilit=Elderly#p1616835

My own philosophy is to just keep riding and that that doesn’t mean daily sixty miles rides but rather hoping on your bike as local transport. He’s likely long dead now but one of the local old boys had a shopper complete with walking stick holder and just got about on it for years. An old dear lived a couple of miles out of town and she used to cycle in nearly every day on her three speed roadster.

My own plan includes taking lots of moderate intensity exercise (gardening, dog walking and utility cycling), and I’m minded to get a folding 20” wheel bike too. Why the folding small wheeler? Lots of reasons but amongst them are using mixed mode travel to take some of the load out of journeys (bus for part and cycle for part) which will help me both keep active and visit new places further away from home. Going on holiday? Maybe that’s a chance to take a folding bike with you and then cycle a few miles rather than sit vegetating on a couch or bench.

Of course cycling into old age isn’t all about cycling; cycling is something that you can (only) do when circumstances and health allow, and we must work at both of those too. I don’t claim to know all the (right) answers about how to have good health in both body and mind, but suspect that I’m doing some things right - need to work on the rest. Live a life with as little stress in it as practical, eat sensibly, avoid alcohol, try not to be too overweight, wear sensible clothing, don’t over do activities, have a broad range of interests, be sociable, have a comfortable home and aim to get eight hours of sleep a night. Having a bike that fits and gives you joy to ride too is obvious, well I hope that it is and that you have several plus nice places to take them :) .
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^ "Well on track for my (top of 3) target to average 100 miles per week (5228.5). Missed probably c.30 days due to hols, so obviously a fair few weeks well over the 100." (Me.)

And yesterday I passed my "target", so 2 weeks in hand, but no, I shan't be resting til 2025!

In 2020 I was at 120 per week. So a near 20% decline, although less hols in 2020. Probably a pretty fair proxy indicator of the worsening of my COPD.

I consider an acceptable effort given age and health.
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My target this year was 10,000 miles, however mainly due to Pauline’s medical appointments, the likelihood is that it will be nearer 8700. Both of us try to get out most days using our bikes for everyday travel and living 4 miles for the nearest shop does help build up the mileage. Also living on high ground, ensures the last mile home is always uphill, from whichever direction. Doing climbs has been one of my cycling enjoyments and both me and Pauline like to keep our climbing legs in shape so we do at least one challenging ride a week.

We have so far managed to survive medical problems; Pauline’s with cancer and me with PMR. Those have combined to end our longer tours but we still manage to do some smaller ones in this country. Also my previous love of cycle-camping has now come to end as an outcome of the PMR.

Pauline was 78yo this year and me 81. I am not on any medication whatsoever and Pauline takes very little, none performance boosting. And neither of us have ever ridden an e-bike and hope we never will.
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djnotts wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 8:49am ^ "Well on track for my (top of 3) target to average 100 miles per week (5228.5). Missed probably c.30 days due to hols, so obviously a fair few weeks well over the 100." (Me.)
I am put to shame. The only years I have averaged 100 miles per week were when there was a long tour boosting the miles.

I must have been close when I bike commuted 20 odd miles a day but tended to ride 3 or 4 days a week and use the car the other days.

As far as age goes. Touch wood Ihave hit 63 with no health issues at all. No medication. I am not doing any great volume of exercise but usually get around 5 or 6 active days per week. A short jog, a swim, or bike ride. A few dog walks every day on top.

I had a one month tour in the USA last year. This year my longest ride was around 50 miles. The opening of a new footbridge on the Clyde prompted a ride from home to use every ferry, tunnel, and bridge on the uper Clyde between Renfrew and Cambuslang.
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^ bikepacker.
Respect!

^irc.
I only achieve my modest result by the "every day" method! Rarely do over 25 and never more than 40 in a day! Any reasons I can't get out, then I do 10 miles on my basic turbo thingy!
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I've just turned 70 and got back into cycling about 5 years ago, just before the pandemic and lockdown. I prioritize going for a bike ride over other pensioners' activities like gardening. I've never been much of an athlete, especially when it comes to pedalling a bicycle uphill. It took me a couple of years to work up to a decent (for me) level of fitness, and now I manage 120-150 miles a week, spread across 3 or 4 rides. Some outdoors, some (especially at this time of year) indoors. I'm not a lot slower over 40-50 miles than I was when I was in my 30s, but really steep gradients are definitely more challenging.

I can't offer much in the way of advice, but I think it's important if you cycle regularly now to carry on doing it, and if you don't, work up to it gradually. Be aware of health issues, particularly musculoskeletal ones, and consider a professional bike fit if you're having problems. Listen to your body, and if it's telling you you're too fatigued, then ease up a bit. Eat well and sleep well.

Most of all, enjoy your riding, and don't worry if you're slower than you were.
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7 years on from my last post on this thread. Back then I had just turned 70 and I did a couple of 200k rides in that year, but those turned out to be the last 200k's I would ever do under my own power. In 2018 I tore a quad just as I was working up to it, and thereafter it was all 140's and 150's, though I did manage a 160 in 2021.

In 2022 I turned 75. I was still riding 100-120k but getting slower and slower, and in March I bought an add-on motor. Two months later I did my last unpowered 100k, managing a respectable 22.4 kph. A month after that I took the motorized bike down to the Vosges, over the top and back home again: 240k at 23.6 kph ave. It felt marvellous. I did a couple more 200's that year, just one the year after and this year, none at all.

I noticed the other day that my motorized speed now is just about the same as I did 2 years ago without the motor.

I still ask myself if my strength didn't decline faster because of the motor, or whether it's just the effect of age. I think it's probably a bit of both. I still switch the motor off on the odd climb to see what I can manage (pathetic) but with a bike + batteries + saddlebag weighing 21kg all up it's hardly surprising.
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To "electrocute" or not is a big decision. I met up with local CTC Ride at lunch stop yesterday. 33 miles round trip, on my late '90s ATB. No bunch in which to hide!
A couple of folk said "get an electric". Another older rider said could no longer keep up as the few on electrics upped the speed. I'd be paying a couple of grand simply to RIDE with the group, rather than see them.
For now I'll accept going solo and by my choice of route.
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For me going electric was a no brainer. Moving from the Chilterns where the hills are often steep but short to Mid Devon made my mind up for me. It was like the Alps there with 1 in 5s and 4s common and obliged me to walk which I had never done even on tours of Scotland.
Even with the excellent Bosch Performance drive, sometimes it couldnt cope and I still had to stand on the pedals on the steepest bits to assist it.
I always set the drive to assist me but require me to put in a bit of welly on my rides here in Somerset. Here we have rolling countryside and there is the choice of the Quantocks or the Blackdowns. The levels are not far either but less attractive because of the absence of hills. So I would encourage the ageing besitants to have a go assisted by Mr Volt. You can always turn him off and get fit by peddling a clunker!

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I'm early 60s and finding that things that didn't matter in the past do make a difference now - my long-time companions, i.e., my touring bikes, don't really fit and after decades of comfort this is causing issues, which I'm working on. But if I need to get a new bike, then I will, so long as I've got enough confidence that it will make the difference!
I'm also not cycling as much, difficult to get away from work, but work means I get some cycling each week... So your points about carrying on have hit home...
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djnotts wrote: 15 Dec 2024, 10:19am To "electrocute" or not is a big decision. I met up with local CTC Ride at lunch stop yesterday. 33 miles round trip, on my late '90s ATB. No bunch in which to hide!
A couple of folk said "get an electric". Another older rider said could no longer keep up as the few on electrics upped the speed. I'd be paying a couple of grand simply to RIDE with the group, rather than see them.
For now I'll accept going solo and by my choice of route.
The issues of mixed ability groups go back decades and imho electric bikes are just another of those potential capability separators that threaten unity in groups that would otherwise be ones of similar capability. Thirty speed bikes and lightweight bikes are other examples of technology either giving the strong rider an edge on his/her club mates or the weak rider a boost to allow them to keep up. There are no answers other than splitting the club into groups of similar capability and the rigorous enforcement of riding at the speed of the weakest rider. However human nature loves to speed on and so, in the moment, overlooks or riles against such limitations.

If there is a practical answer then I think that it lies in the matching of abilities and - this might have to be explained and taught - respect towards others. Just because you can speed past your club mates doesn’t mean that you should, and really it never has. It seems to me that riding out to meet up with the group for coffee or lunch is a sensible personal choice and that, if aware, others might choose to join the slower rider’s / slower riders’ run.

Why go electric? I hope that I never need too go electric but, to my mind, so that I can keep up with club mates is an iffy reason whereas so that I can still enjoy riding my bike is a good reason.
Don’t fret, it’s OK to: ride a simple old bike; ride slowly, walk, rest and admire the view; ride off-road; ride in your raincoat; ride by yourself; ride in the dark; and ride one hundred yards or one hundred miles. Your bike and your choices to suit you.
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^Carlton green, good points, well made.

Our conclusions pretty much coincide!
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Carlton green wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 5:13am I hope that I never need too go electric but, to my mind, so that I can keep up with club mates is an iffy reason whereas so that I can still enjoy riding my bike is a good reason.
I'm very much hoping that I need to go electric, as it'll indicate that somewhere in the future I'll be very old but still having the ambition and inclination to get out there!
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Carlton green wrote: 16 Dec 2024, 5:13am
The issues of mixed ability groups go back decades and imho electric bikes are just another of those potential capability separators that threaten unity in groups that would otherwise be ones of similar capability. ......

If there is a practical answer then I think that it lies in the matching of abilities and - this might have to be explained and taught - respect towards others. Just because you can speed past your club mates doesn’t mean that you should, and really it never has. ......

Why go electric? I hope that I never need too go electric but, to my mind, so that I can keep up with club mates is an iffy reason whereas so that I can still enjoy riding my bike is a good reason.
Yes, a group ride organised as such requires those of greater ability to reign-in their compulsion to go as fast as they can, since the operative word is "group".

On the other hand, there are specialist groups in cycling, the chain gang being one-such, that illustrates that sometimes the group has to be organised such that those unable to meet a certain standard of speed/effort are excluded from joining. But even in a chain gang, there are various conventions for allowing the not-quite-up-to-the-pace members to rejoin, via short cut or occasional neutralised section allowing the dropped to get on again. After all, they need the chain gang experience to eventually get faster. That's the point of chain gangs.

The exclusion rules for less sporty groups are far more lenient. Even a racing club Sunday ride tends to have a rule that anyone dropped is waited for. On the other hand, the number of wait-for events per ride is limited. :-)

In those groups where a certain broad standard of ability is expected (as well as catered to with the waits) an e-bike is very useful. Most in such groups are generally able to cope with the flatter parts of a route. It's the hills where maximum effort is usually required and the differences in fitness of the group members becomes most obvious. Older & larger fear the hills! An e-bike allows them to stay-on and, as long as they don't do a lookitme dash ahead up the 1 in 5, the group stays a group with less waits.
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