Cycling UK Forum

reohn2 wrote:

pwa wrote:
I've heard a lot of stuff like that, and I'm sure it is true. Big issues. But at the same time I think we should remember that the NHS is a wonderful asset that does wonderful things, and which deals with illnesses that were once untreatable. It does much more than it used to. And yes, of course, it is seriously misfiring and needs a rejig to work in a more joined up way. I just think we should view the NHS as a wonderful thing that deserves our best efforts to rectify its problems, rather than a cause of national shame. My sister-in-law in Germany pays something like £400 per month for her family's health insurance and then boasts how much better health care is in Germany. Well what would you expect if you throw that much money at it!

If you wish the NHS to remain a wonderful thing and to carry one doing much more than it used to,don't vote Tory,as they're privatising the NHS by stealth,and the cost of which your S in L has found out in the German health system

Jeremy should have you on his team.

Seeing as we're in total thread drift...
There are more people sleep rough on the streets than ever known in living memory,and has increased dramatically since the Tories came to power.When I go into Manchester,which is rare,I'm alarmed at the number of people sleeping rough on the streets,tent enclaves are springing up everywhere.
These poor homeless people are living a dog's life for whatever reason.
Their only relief from the pain of such a life is alcohol and or drugs.
Drugs such as Spice mentioned above are cheaper(a fiver a hit according to people who work with the homeless) than almost any other mind bending drug available including drink.
Synthetic drugs such as these are having long term effects on people's mental health.
Drug use is being treated the UK as a crime,not as an illness to be cured from or managed.
The police are woefully underfunded to tackle the sale of such drugs
A couple of points:-
Why is drug abuse treated as a crime?
What is the long term effect on society of an underclass(for want of a better word) that is totally disregarded and written off by society.
What gave rise to such a situation and how is it to be tackled?

pwa wrote:Jeremy should have you on his team.

How do you know he hasn't already?

A quote from the pollution thread:-

I always thought air pollution in this regard was caused by people driving cars. How daft was I, eh?

What of the long term effects of the people breathing in such pollution?
Asthma in the young,lung cancer and who knows what else.

What is being done to to tackle those issues from a health of the nation perspective?

Give the choice would you rather be poorer and healthy or rich and ill from the effects of pollution?

bovlomov wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:I am in pain!

A thousand apologies! (Have an aspirin)

Which you can't give me unless you're a doctor or pharmacist since I'm in work and as or elf & safety bods say you can't give people tablets if you're a first aider. It's prescribing drugs that! Just leave it on the table and if I take one it's down to me.

Sorry off the off topic digression.

TBH I'm actually happy about agreeing with you when I do. Although I don't often agree I find a lot of your political posts very much worth reading. I could readily get converted to your political viewpoint one day.

Tangled Metal wrote: I could readily get converted to your political viewpoint one day.

You'll be a welcome addition to my anarchist paradise.

bovlomov wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote: I could readily get converted to your political viewpoint one day.

You'll be a welcome addition to my anarchist paradise.

Isn't it easy to be an anarchist, you don't have to take responsibility for any thing ..... its always someone else fault ???

Have you come across the Anarchist Principle of MYOB ..... 50's or 60's Si-Fi tale i believe ..."And Then There Were None" ...

landsurfer wrote:

bovlomov wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote: I could readily get converted to your political viewpoint one day.

You'll be a welcome addition to my anarchist paradise.

Isn't it easy to be an anarchist, you don't have to take responsibility for any thing ..... its always someone else fault ???

Quite the opposite! It's, above all, about taking responsibility.

Have you come across the Anarchist Principle of MYOB ..... 50's or 60's Si-Fi tale i believe ..."And Then There Were None" ...

No. But I don't read anarchist theory or literature.

bovlomov wrote:No. But I don't read anarchist theory or literature.

It's just a story .......

landsurfer wrote:

bovlomov wrote:No. But I don't read anarchist theory or literature.

It's just a story .......

I don't read stories about anarchists either... ...but I might have to start, now there are two that might be interesting. The other is 'The Dynamiter' by Robert Louis Stevenson (and his wife, I believe, though she isn't credited). He's a great writer. so it should be worth reading.

No takers or answers on my previous questions on health?

Si wrote:This post isn't meant to be about whether communism is good or bad, or whether the British Communist party is real communism, or whether communism is still alive etc.

A bit like Ken Livingstone...what he initially said was more or less historically true, but the context that he said it in was unbelievably stoopid and short sighted, caused much distress and thus it destroyed him as a labour politician.

You do know Ken said there was no point in canvassing in Jewish areas as Jews are well off and will therefore vote Tory?
As an aside do you think that was good for Jewish votes? A community from my experience of living in Manchester vote.....Labour rich or poor!