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Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 22 May 2017, 7:55pm
by landsurfer
old_windbag wrote:And has eaten plenty of peaches to prove it
LOL .... but its the last line of my post which is the most important ... i believe ...
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 23 May 2017, 8:22am
by Bmblbzzz
An annoying aspect of school uniform is when it changes. This, obviously, impacts poor families hardest in two ways: they have to buy new stuff, they can't hand old uniform on to younger siblings. It also kills any secondhand market for a year or two. Changes to school uniform seem to be more common now; I went through school without any, whereas Bmblbzzz Minor just missed one at primary and we're now going to have change every item (including PE kit) apart from trousers for his next year.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 23 May 2017, 8:24am
by Bmblbzzz
Another point, which I don't think has been mentioned in this thread, but which Bmblbzzz Minor raised himself, is comfort. Apparently the new school sweaters are made of some other material which is "rough and itchy".
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 23 May 2017, 8:29am
by meic
He must have accidentally got the working class issue uniform instead of the middle class issue.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 23 May 2017, 10:24am
by old_windbag
Bmblbzzz wrote: "rough and itchy".
What the yoof of today need is some of this to toughen them up.
The empire was built on this, thats the sort of post brexit toughness we're going to need to see us through in competitive times.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 23 May 2017, 1:54pm
by Tangled Metal
What give it to the Europeans until they give in and cut their €100 billion bill?
My grandparents had it in. They used to get a couple of rolls of soft stuff just for us. Then I found out there was a cupboard full of soft toilet tissue. Seems my gran tried it when we visited and ended up buying it for herself. My grandad apparently kept using it for years but eventually succumbed to the softness.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 23 May 2017, 2:14pm
by old_windbag
Tangled Metal wrote: My grandad apparently kept using it for years but eventually succumbed to the softness.
The slippery slope and fall of empire. There seems a correlation between cushelle/andrex softness and britains decline
.
It was standard issue in schools but I thought thats why dress shirts had long tails
, seemed to work and I always had lots of personal space around me
.
On similar subject I cannot believe that we have an advert where kids ask an adult "how clean is your a*rse miss". Oh has clean as a man called dave( clearly not cameron ), oh as clean as a squid, oh as clean as gold pants..... perhaps not a good colour when they started out white
. Mary whitehouse would have enjoyed it.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 25 May 2017, 9:33pm
by Flinders
old_windbag wrote:Flinders wrote:Personally I hated wearing uniform, and have never seen any point in it. If doesn't even deal with income inequality, as those with more money can afford nicer and newer uniforms, which stands out more than just wearing different clothes would do. (I had three skirts only through my entire 7 years in secondary school, two of which I had to make myself, some classmates had hand-made skirts with silk linings - the difference was far more obvious than if I'd worn what I wanted- jeans and a t-shirt.)
That was a bizarre punishment you described..... though a day of solitary to me would have been worth forgetting a tie for
. Give me a pen and paper and I'd sit doodling all day.
Clothing wise I think normal clothes are still more divisive than uniforms( I don't like them but they can be beneficial ). Kids spot logo's and trademarks easily and they are visible from a distance. When I was at school it was lacoste, fred perry etc, doctor martins, chelsea boots, simon shirts. The TM's were a sign of you were with it or not. Later trainers became fashion accessories with nike, adidas, puma dominating and silly fads like not tieing laces. All markers to separate you into groups. I don't feel standard uniform was as blatant in that division.
But people carry that snobbery into adulthood and ponce around in their pringle or ralph lauren jumpers, and wear the extra large watch with mutiple dials and pointers, breitlings etc.......... whereas I'm happy with easyway from matalan and no watch( even then it'd be a straight forward £10 job ). The craftsmanship of expensive watches is not in question........ but wasted on those wearing them and pointless in value for money terms.
If the old saw were true about uniforms not being as divisive, why is there no problem about clothes being divisive in colleges with kids of the same age as school sixth formers who are still wearing uniform? Because there isn't. In my experience, uniforms were more divisive, not less.
I know of no actual evidence that schools with uniforms have less bullying than equivalent schools without. Bullying is a feature of a badly run school.
And bullying kids for not wearing some precise item of uniform is setting a lousy example.
Not wearing uniform ought to be an opportunity for schools to explain and stamp out snobbery, but as schools are too weak to do this, they rely on bullying kids to wear uniforms for the nastier staff to get their kicks.
I tend to think that schools force girls to wear skirts in order that creepy male senior teachers can see girls' legs........
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 25 May 2017, 9:34pm
by Flinders
old_windbag wrote:Bmblbzzz wrote: "rough and itchy".
What the yoof of today need is some of this to toughen them up.
The empire was built on this, thats the sort of post brexit toughness we're going to need to see us through in competitive times.
I remember that stuff. We used to use it as tracing paper- we were allocated a clean sheet each in class for the purpose.
And no, that's not a joke- we really were.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 25 May 2017, 9:38pm
by Flinders
Bmblbzzz wrote:Another point, which I don't think has been mentioned in this thread, but which Bmblbzzz Minor raised himself, is comfort. Apparently the new school sweaters are made of some other material which is "rough and itchy".
We had to wear
nylon blouses. Ever worn nylon blouse/shirt? Cold in winter, sweaty and stinky in summer - pretty horrible all round. A plain cotton shirt would have been far more comfortable- and easier to keep smell-free.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 25 May 2017, 11:31pm
by old_windbag
Flinders wrote: We used to use it as tracing paper
A better use than its primary purpose I bet
. I like the chad valley compendium of games offer on the izal label, 24'/11d.
In the 70's their was a lot of nylon in our lives. Not sure if anyone remembers a company called brentford nylons, nylon bedsheets, pyjamas, we even had nylon vest and underpant sets. There was a lot of electrostatic action between the bedsheets, like a van der graaf generator
. And you didn't stand too close to the fire or iron on a high setting.
Fortunately we've moved on from those days but post brexit we may see more string vest and knotted hanky combos on our beaches.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 26 May 2017, 12:17am
by meic
Fortunately we've moved on from those days
Yes, now the nylon is called poly-amide instead on the labels.
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 26 May 2017, 1:52am
by mercalia
Flinders wrote:old_windbag wrote:Bmblbzzz wrote: "rough and itchy".
What the yoof of today need is some of this to toughen them up.
The empire was built on this, thats the sort of post brexit toughness we're going to need to see us through in competitive times.
I remember that stuff. We used to use it as tracing paper- we were allocated a clean sheet each in class for the purpose.
And no, that's not a joke- we really were.
so this thread has reduced to toilet paper
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 26 May 2017, 8:32am
by Paulatic
old_windbag wrote:Flinders wrote: We used to use it as tracing paper
A better use than its primary purpose I bet
. I like the chad valley compendium of games offer on the izal label, 24'/11d.
In the 70's their was a lot of nylon in our lives. Not sure if anyone remembers a company called
brentford nylons, nylon bedsheets, pyjamas, we even had nylon vest and underpant sets. There was a lot of electrostatic action between the bedsheets, like a van der graaf generator
. And you didn't stand too close to the fire or iron on a high setting.
Fortunately we've moved on from those days but post brexit we may see more string vest and knotted hanky combos on our beaches.
I remember it well and their awful adverts and jingle
https://youtu.be/xR1aZ5ltvHo
Re: Does private education lead the way in school uniforms?
Posted: 26 May 2017, 10:07am
by old_windbag
I forgot fluff freeman was their anchorman. That sort of irritating get in your head type advert is now "oak furnitureland"
. You gotta knock.... on wood, rush out this bank holiday weekend to see their once in a lifetime offers.
I once went to an aircraft museum in devon, it was set up by keith fordyce who was the frontman for 60's daz adverts. Molly weir( supergran ) did flash.
mercalia wrote:so this thread has reduced to toilet paper
Yes apologies mercalia but it is important being what politicians write their manifesto's on.